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Dell to Expand Linux Options

Your feedback on Dell IdeaStorm has been astounding.  Thank you!  We hear your requests for desktops and notebooks with Linux.  We’re crafting product offerings in response, but we’d like a little more direct feedback from you: your preferences, your desires.  We recognize some people prefer notebooks over desktops, high-end models over value models, your favorite Linux distribution, telephone-based support over community-based support, and so on.  We can’t offer everything (all systems, all distributions, all support options), so we’ve crafted a survey (www.dell.com/linuxsurvey) to let you help us prioritize what we should deliver for you.

Taking a few minutes to complete this survey will help us define our forthcoming Linux-based system offerings. We will close the survey on Friday, March 23. From there, we’ll take some time to analyze your feedback and work to provide the platforms and options you choose.

Thanks in advance for your participation. More details soon.

Update:  We're overwhelmed by your responses, and we know the survey server is overloaded too.  We're working on it, and the survey will remain open until March 23, so you'll have plenty of time to make your vote count.

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I understand that Dell Linux pc's, somewhere in UK,  cost more than same hardware with Vista preinstalled. This requires a response from you. There is no reasonable explanation to this.
 

I am most concerned about was not having support for the idiot broadcom WIFI card not working for me without several days of testing kernel prerelease versions or patching almost daily snapshots of the project that has been working on a linux native driver for these cards before I finally got them to work to a sub-par  standard, not to mention the hours spent recovering work after ndiswrapper kept hard locking the machines.

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Nice ... Dude..
 
How do i find my webcam settings for my computer inspiron 1520?
 
I just purchased a labtop and a printer and the labtop is okay I think it was way overpriced after I got it but my biggest complaint is the printer doesnt even come with a UBC cord so if I dont buy one seperate I dont use it.A big rip off since the cord is almost as much as the printer. Also I had alot of issue with DHL who they use for their shipping so over all I wont be reccommending a dell to anyone!
 

I am the current owner of not 1 but 3(THREE) Dell inspiron 1501 notebook computers.

I'm also a long time linux user and as such could not care less about what distro they decide to install on thier systems. The very first thing I do with a machine when I buy it whether notebook or desktop is stick my livecd in it and format and install my OS. There are a great many linux users out there that are just like me in this.

What I am most concerned about was not having support for the idiot broadcom WIFI card not working for me without several days of testing kernel prerelease versions or patching almost daily snapshots of the project that has been working on a linux native driver for these cards before I finally got them to work to a sub-par  standard, not to mention the hours spent recovering work after ndiswrapper kept hard locking the machines.

I could even deal with all of that since at least linux devs are trying to do something about the support (light is at the end of the tunnel), What really sent me off the deep end is when DELL decided that I cant really do what I want with a machine I spent very hard earned money for such as refusing to  allow me to even install another off the shelf miniPCI card that would work just fine with any OS I could throw at it.

Are there no laws against this type of hijacking of my rights?

In any case Dell and frankly all PC manufacturers need to get their act together  and give me FULL and complete access to do as I like with my machine.

</RANT> 

 

I recently bought a budget Inspiron expecting to be able to use it with Ubuntu and although it installs fine, a key feature has been problematic. The Broadcom driver doesn't work with Ubuntu and despite the excellent support from Ubuntu forums, no amount of patching, and replacing the thing can get the wireless to work.  Loads of others have faced similar problems.

The combination of a cheap well-spec'd laptop with Ubuntu on it and working would be a fanstastic option for loads of customers.  Like me, a lot of customers are fed up with paying the MS tax for software that bloats and slows the machine, locking us into the update mechanism.  Many of us have things to do on the machines and the OS should be there to help us do it.

After years of using MS OSs, including years of developing software for them, customers deserve something a lot better and if Dell, with its excellent hardware offering, supported Ubuntu comprehensively, it could clean up in the hardware arena.

 

 

As a french Linux user, I can't wait for a Linux Dell option.

I really hope Dell will expand this offer to european countries very soon.

There is a lot of users and companies which are waiting for true Linux based PCs in europe too ! 

 
Had checked out the laptop with Ubuntu and the price was terrific with the changes made in the configuration. For a person who lives in another country like India, it is difficult to get a Dell laptop which is having Linux even after the announcement. It would be great if Dell offers desktops and laptops with Ubuntu Linux for people in other countries apart from the US. I would be helpful if we know when such computers are being offered to us also.
Thanks...

 

Almost Awesome! Now, as soon as I can scroll down the PROCESSORS list and choose  AMD for the laptop, I've got 1200 burning a hole to buy one.

 

I will not buy Intel.

I do not eat at McDonalds.

I do not talk to AT&T

I do not buy from Microsoft.

Evil still = Evil.

 

I'd rather buy a third-rate Chinese CPU or a GPU than an Intel anything, at any speed.

I buy about 20 computers a year for business. None of them contain Intel or M$. They never will.


 Let me know when I can spend my money on an AMD Dell with Ubuntu.

 

Actually currently looking around for a notebook that'll run properly with Linux. As most people commented already, the main reason for choosing a particular notebook is one with hardware that's supported by Linux.

This means hardware for which there are opensource drivers (preferably GPL-ed). Think that most Linux users want freedom of choice, the choice to choose their own hardware and to choose what software they run with it. Adding specific information like chipset info might also be a welcome addition.

Basically, as long as the source for the drivers is available, choosing which distro to pre-install is actually not that important.
Just go for the one that's easiest to use by new users of desktop Linux, which is Ubuntu in my opinion, the rest will do what do want anyway.

Also don't worry too much about having to invest in software support, if the hardware manufacturer's drivers are open source, it'll be supported by the Linux community.

If you were already shipping linux-ready notebooks, you'd definitely have me as a customer already!

Hope you'll be shipping notebooks with Linux compatible hardware soon!


 

 
Steve Walker
Dell has always "supported" Linux wrong.  We don't need a pre-installed OS as any serious Linux user can install their own favorite Linux flavor.  We need a 'No-OS' option on every computer sold.  If dell wants to sell a lot more computers all they have to do is offer a no-OS option that saves the users money on every computer dell sells.  No more burying the Linux options.  Many of us will install Linux, others will re-use existing Windows licenses.  Just give your customers the choice of not donating to MS and you will see sells jump. There are a LOT of anti-MS people out there that would buy Dell's if they knew MS would not get their money.
 

I will NOT buy anything with Vista!

 I will, however, buy a Dell if its hardware is Linux friendly.  Linux is, after all, the OS of choice of NASA, Dept of Homeland Security, NJ State Police, German Govt, etc - get the picture!!
 

 

Ban windows on DELL make it a LINUX only system with easier tho install software and the company s will move OPEN-source

 

,luke 

 
IMHO, Mandriva is worth serious consideration for the following reasons (in no particular order): 1. Ease of use. The Mandriva Linux Control Center makes it easy for people at all skill levels to do system configuration. 2. Excellent hardware support. 3. Internationalization is already there. 4. Mandriva leverages and supports Dell's DKMS initiative. 5. All popular desktop environments (DE's) are included and available by clicking the one you'd like to try at the login greeter. 6. It has nice-looking graphics theme that is applied across all DE's. 7. Mandriva is innovative and often the first to offer new and interesting features. In any case, its really good news that Dell is actively supporting Linux. Hardware support for all distributions is likely to improve. The main reasons that I build my own systems is to get known Linux-compatible hardware and to avoid paying for an OS that I'll never use. Heck, I may stop fiddling with home-builts and just buy from Dell. :)
 
I have wanted to upgrade my Inspiron 3500 for several years but did not want any microsoft windows system.  As soon as Dell comes out with a laptop with Ubuntu I will be getting a new computer.  Thank you Dell.
 
This is Great! I have posted some related sites over here: http://todaytop10.com
 
It's good that Dell is willing to actually listen to its customers, unlike some other companies (*cough*microsoft*cough*).
 
Good job Dell, now you make it easer to buy Linux desktops. 
 
Sunshineray
I am really happy to see a linux distro made available preinstalled!  I have spent the last few years building my own desktops to avoid MS.  Looks like there may be a new laptop in my future.
 
Jacob Johnson
I'm looking forward to the Dell laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled.  Usually laptops are a little harder to get the drivers (modules) working.  Currently, I have everything working on my laptop with Ubuntu, down to the wifi.  I need another laptop though because my screen had a hardware failure and I always have to use a regular monitor with my current laptop.  I'll gladly get Dell's offering as soon as it comes out (this last laptop was a Gateway).
 
Gabriel Vel
I need to replace my laptop, I do not like to be OBLIGATED to have vista in my next one.
 

It would be great to have an option of having Ubuntu as the OS pre-installed with an OEM.  It would save people like me who can use Linux and don't need the over-rated, over-priced Windows quite some money.  I also think it would be good if they could do a dual boot (with grub) for some people who want to transit to Linux but need Windows for some apps.

 

 

Hi Mr. Dell and dear fellow readers of this log.

 It's now about 12 years that I exclusively use Linux, in various flavours; I began with Slackware.... nightmare installation, then CorelLinux came on the scene; what a big difference it was. But then, as we all know, M$ intervened, "helped" Corel to get out of the financial hole it was, changed the C.E.O.  and the first thing he did was scrap the Linux Unit. Which later continued as Xandros. Frankly speaking, I still use Xandros, and I have found it to be the easiest Linux use. I know, it is not free; at least the full and latest version. But it remarkably painless to use; many friend of mine asked ... "What windows is this ...?"  ... :-)

The most remarkable feature of Xandros? The control Panel. Seeing is believing. 

Anyway, I am firmly convinced that the move towards LInux is a very good move, which represents the real beginning of some real competition, open market style, and competition is GOOD for us end users.

I sincerely hope that some other big players, like IBM/Lenoxo and HP, will follow your very wise initiative; TO LISTEN to their customers. 

 Stefano Mollo.

 

It's great that Dell has decided to sell systems with Linux pre-installed. I myself own 3 systems which run Ubuntu(well, my older PC runs Xubuntu, but I use Ubuntu on my laptop and main PC). I currently own an Acer Aspire 3680, but I'll almost definitely be getting my next one from Dell.

~Stash 

 

Ubuntu's not a bad choice for a distribution to use.  I worry a bit about their plans with regards to not support non-GPL stuff (nvidia's closed-source graphics drivers are, for example, better than the current open source ones, and are free as well).  Beyond that, some people mentioned business models.  I think Linux in the enterprise is a whole other issue, and one that requires a lot more than just putting the machines out there for sale to make happen.  It's part of a larger sales strategy. 

 

The real benefit with just making linux-based systems available will be in the end-user market, not corporate IT, where M$ lock-in exists en masse.  

 

 
Jeremiah Daniels

Ubuntu is simple and easy to use. Gnome is simple and easily modified, even as a novice. Hardware support is a must. Work with the choice distribution's community to properly decide appropriate requirements. This will be a great day for the open-source world.

 
Rezaur Rahman
 It a very good idea to move on to Linux. I think we should be using Linux then Windows. Why Microsoft is so addicted to using heavy resource !!????!!!!! Can u even think about running Vista on less then 1Ghz !!!! On the other hand Linux is really improving day by day but it can still run on my old 333Mhz P2 !!!!! So my final verdict is, if we need to buy a whole new pc to get a new OS, Microsoft can stay out of my PC.
 

I just want a computer that works -- out of the box -- with as much of the hardware I already own as possible and all of the hardware it comes equipped with!

 

The preinstalled distro doesn't matter. It would be nice to save some money and have more choices as a consumer.

 

Having more choices would likely persuade me to buy a Dell rather than an Apple. 

 

 
I have ubuntu on my Dell Demension 2350, but I have been unable to load it on my Dell Inspirion 1100 laptop.  The laptop has XP on it and I am not at all satisfied with the performance of XP.  I am very interested in your idea of being able to get a laptop with ubuntu loaded.
 
It will be great to have ubuntu preinstalled in budget models, and save some money, cause we will not have to pay for windows, wich a lot of people dont use at all.
 
Will this be on both laptops and desktops?
 
Excellent, Dell, giving your customers the CHOICE to have Ubuntu LINUX on systems!  I am looking to purchase a laptop in the near future and am definitely looking towards acquiring a Linux Dell system.  Hopefully your Linux systems will be sold outside the U.S. as well and you will increase the availability of Linux in your product lines.  Linux on a Dell XPS, anyone?  Cheers!
 
Linux , Kde, suppoort for a media center like the myth TV front end would be nice,open office... and Beryl. Simple straight forward.. Thanks Dell
 
This has bean asked several times already but have not noticed any availability date of when systems with Kubuntu be available to buy at Dell.
 

We've announced we'll be factory installing Ubuntu, but at this time we're not planning to factory install the official derivatives such as Kubuntu, Edubuntu, or Xubuntu.  As these share a common kernel with Ubuntu, the hardware certified with Ubuntu should work with these official derivatives.

Thanks,
Matt

 
I see a lot of people above mentioning macbooks.  Put me down as another shopper looking for a (cheaper) dell/ubuntu option.
 

I'm both a fan of Dell and Linux, so this is wonderful!  I would recommend Ubuntu 6.06 as the baseline as it will be supported for a few years without requiring an upgrade.  If someone wanted to upgrade it's simple enough for the average user.  Just install the default Gnome desktop.  Those that want KDE, Fluxbox, or XFCE can add it from a repository very easily.  Just stick with the default Ubuntu. 

I would recommend desktops for business, but if you can do laptops as well that would be great for the home user.  Laptops should have a video card, not integrated video.  For the most part that doesn't do anyone any favors.  As long as hardware is all Linux compatible, there shouldn't be any issues except WinModems.  Let's go without those, please.

Thanks Dell!

 

Dude,

I´m gettin' a Dell!

A laptop with Ubuntu pre-installed, to be exact.

This is SO COOL!

My company runs on Ubuntu and Pilão (brazilian coffee).

 All of our desktops are custom built at home, but, now,

we will be using Dell laptops (we´ve been researching laptop

purchases for a while).  We are ecstatic to have the option to purchase with our favorite OS, and w/o the M$ virus pre-installed. 

Anthony Baldwin

CEO, Baldwin Linguas

Translations & Interpreting 

 

 

So cool that you´re now offering Linux machines.

I, too, recommend Ubuntu for laptops and home computers.

I would recommend the Kubuntu flavor (Ubuntu with KDE desktop) as default, however, for various reasons.  

For schools, you could offer the Edubuntu (Ubuntu with edutainment and educational software added by default.  Does use Gnome desktop).

Another phenomenal idea would be to offer K12LTSP machines to schools (see the k12ltsp.org or k12linux.org site, a fedora based terminal server project).

 

tony 

 
I am buying a dell laptop within the next year, this is exactly what i was looking for!!
 
David Thomas
Thank you Dell, because I now can by Dell with Ubuntu....well I'll be buying a Dell.
 
Thanks, I like the option if I want it.
 
this is great news! I can't wait. I bet this will get lots of people to buy Dell computers if they come pre-installed with a linux distro. Also this means that the hardware has to be Linux compatible with the right drivers and everything, so you can install whatever Linux distro you want. Awesome! GREAT JOB DELL! You are the B E S T
 
First, congratulations in giving us an option to Windows as I've been trying to buy one of your machines for more than 10 years with no OS but I can live with Ubuntu as I've used an earlier version and it's very likeable.  I'm not one to bash MS as I think they make a good OS and if it wasn't for the way they force me to validate, activate and reactivate via some guy I, at times, cannot understand forcing me to call back and go through a 42 digit process is just more than I'm willing to deal with. I believe they have the right to protect their software but not on my time or at my expense.  I've been using Xandros Business Edition 3.0  as my main OS before upgrading it to Xandros Professional 4.0.  These are both commercial versions of Linux which are Debian based as is Ubuntu so using Ubuntu wouldn't require much of an effort.  I'm looking forward to seeing what you are going to make available in both a laptop as well  as a desktop.  I believer there have been issues with VIA's north and south bridge architecture involving their software and / or drivers and found Nvidia a better option.  I also discovered that the Auzentech pci sound cards work better with linux than Soundblaster but not sure how either compare with Ubuntu.  I'm just so glad you've made this move to an optional OS like Ubuntu.
 
hey finnaly we got a real OS, thanks
 

I applaud Dell for the decision.  I have purchased a Dell Desktop in the past will certainly do so again.  I currently use Ubuntu on a Dell Desktop at home and it works great.  I have tried many linux distros and on several computers (desktops and laptops) and found Ubuntu to be the best choice.  I would imagine a if you could select a couple of laptops and desktops (maybe four total), I higher-end and one more entry level, so that people can have some choice in price and computing power.  Of course without the Microsoft tax either should be more affordable with Ubuntu.  I will not buy a VIsta machine and my next computer purchase will be a Dell with Ubuntu!

Bravo Dell for promoting free choice and letting the little people fight the Microsoft monopoly!
 

 
Russell Naylor

   I have 2 dells at home and usually recommend Dells for the family members that ask my advice. I want Linux on Laptops and desktops and I dont want to pay for a License for Windows when I buy a Linux box from Dell.

Thanks

 

I look forward to seeing how this actually turns out...you have a huge opportunity here, especially to even further drive down the price of your computers and sell even more.

Ubuntu wasn't a horrible choice. It isn't that many of these distributions are more difficult to use than Windows (driver problems aside), only that they are different which sometimes make it difficult for people who have 'grown up' on it harder to grasp. You have the resources to change all of this, and even make money off of it... I wish you luck!

If this really does work out, I look forward to buying a laptop this fall for school :)

 

That's great....!!!

 Even if I prefer Debian, I think Ubuntu is the perfect choice!!!

 
good Job !!!

 
 

 
Screamin Ike

Glad to see it.

I had been planning on slowly mutating this hp box i'm working on into something that resembled current hardware, but if you're pushing Ubuntu on your prebuilts... with warranties... and support. i'll bite.

oh. quick request? can you bundle cedega subscriptions? :)

--

Ike 

 
This is good news

I want to establish 4 computer networks based on ubuntu 7.04 and Ubuntu Server 6.10. Those companies always buy Dell's hardware. They don't want Vista because hardware for Vista is so expensive, so proposal Ubuntu and they are agree.

I', Windows MCSE administrator, but sopose I will must learn linux. 

 
francois terouanne

I would appreciate a laptop with Feisty Fawn.

It seems to be a very good opportunity to offer a laptop at a cheap price and with technical components of good quality. 

 

 

 

YEEEEEEEES,

 

Thanks DELL

 
I would say go with ubuntu. They have an awesome forum community for software support. If you provide good hardware it would be perfect. As in good hardware I mean Nvidia cards (linux and ati dont mix because ati wont really support linux) good modems that work out of the box maybe a nice realtek wireless or something along the lines that ubuntu can setup out of the box. Stay away from broadcom as it is also a pain. Also if you offer the entire repo on dvd format (should be like 3 dvds make it optional) for the people with dialup you will have a better turnout.
 
Keith Karnafel
I've been triple booting for some time on my Inspiron 6000 laptop. (XP Pro; Xandros 4; Ubuntu Feisty.) Ubuntu feisty recognized and installed all the hardware appropriately without tweaking or searching for drivers.Wireless worked from the get go. (Oddly enough I had to download drivers from Dell for XP.) I reflect most of the comments that if you support the hardware we can get the distro of choice on it but would be great to have everything preinstalled. If only there was a good music service for Linux I could ditch Windows completely.
 
Daniel Tygel

The most important is HARDWARE support to linux. After that, let the user choose his/her distro. One of the most beautiful things about linux is that you don't have to say: "this is THE distro"... from slackware to kurumin, using gnome, fluxbox, kde, icewm, xfce... we have the choice!

So the most important is giving the hardware specifications, and having open drivers for your hardware: that's just heaven!

 Greetings,

daniel
 

 
thebinaryman

Its all about the laptops!!!

 all of us linux users are geeks, we BUILD OUR OWN computers.  the one problem comes when one of us wants a laptop. we cannot build a laptop, so we are forced to buy one.  every laptop out there comes with windows preinstalled, and preincluded in the cost :o

 so here is our one and only option for a cheep linux laptop

 DELL!!!

 i will need to get a laptop soon, and i hope i can get it from dell with linux for cheaper and not be forced to buy micro$oft
 

 
I am with Peter on this one: I want a super-cheap laptop for my kids. Which Linux distro is not important fo me; I just want to save at least $100 by not paying Microsoft for useless OS.
 
Rodney Hanson

May I suggest SimplyMepis linux, the current version is based on Ubuntu but has a KDE desktop,realplayer,flash,Nvidia drivers etc.so things like youtube,Google Earth, and BBC news etc. work without problems.
Networks with Windows with no effort too.
Incidenally  my daughter was complaining that her computer a one year old Dell with XP would not work on a particular site, I tried it and it worked on my old  700mhz  machine running Mepis.

 
I want a super-cheap laptop for my kids.  Ubuntu with OpenOffice and FF fits the bill. 
 

Please ignore anyone that says "No binary drivers".  Why use free reverse-engineered drivers for your hardware when the manufacturer is providing correct, working drivers?  Just because you can't see the source code (And not many people would bother to) doesn't mean you shouldn't use it.

 

Best of luck, I think it's an excellent idea.  Maybe offer a pre-installed dual-boot option for a fee? 

 

While most of my engineering team dual-boots our laptops, we aren't planning on offering dual-boot systems at this time.

Thanks,
Matt
 

 
I feel, as a veteran linux user, it is great idea for dell to be doing this, but i think they should give the customer a list of distros that they want installed; dual booted with xp/vista.  That is a good idea for users who are farmiliar with windows but want to experiment with linux.  Personally, i like the MEPIS (X64) distro.  I think that should be the mainc hoice here.
 

Please don't base the decision of the Linux distro for Dell systems just based on popularity.....if popularity was a decision maker for PCs, then Windows would be recommended  (god forbid) ...........popular does not make it the best..................

case in point PCLinuxOS  installed on my desktop and laptop much easier and picked up more hardware than Ubuntu or Kubuntu, and think a minute, Ubuntu has all kinds of commercial $$$'s behind it and PCLOS doesnt' ........... hmmm, kinda funny isn't it?

 

 

I hope your offer will be extended in europe too...

I use gentoo but i don't really care of pre-installed distros. I would like to have choice or linux or no os preinstalled.

But overall I think complete hardware support is most important

 
obviouslyst

My vote for CentOS; why:

RedHat is the most stable, reliable, documented and supported linux flavor, but the reason why everybody wants Linux is because they (or we) don't want to pay more and more. So with CentOS we will have RedHat free... Centos is the way forward!!!

 

I generally like Dell hardware.  My first was a P2-266 for college and it was a great machine.  Use a Precision 390 at work that is also pretty nice.  Thought about getting it myself but it is way overpriced once you go below the bare minimum configuration.  I have always liked the idea of getting a machine that is built to exactly what I want and is burn in tested before it arrives.  However, the last machine I bought was put together from parts due to Dell NOT giving me what I want. 

I'm sorry I missed the survey, but this is what I would like: 

1.  To buy a machine from dell and see a 'XXX Linux' or 'Other/Non Windows' option in the configurator and know that none of my money will be given to Microsoft

2. Know that everything on the machine works with linux and will in the future because the specs are open.  If I select the 'Linux' option I want to be assured that I am not getting a winmodem or chipset that does not work with linux.

3. I have a highly favorable opinion of Ubuntu for home users (My wife and I use it at home).  I also want a value but not crap 3d graphics card that can power a desktop and TV-out that has open specs. 
 

 


 

We're moderating nearly every comment through as fast as they come in.  Clearly off-topic posts, spams, and personally identifyable data posts aren't let through, but comments about distro choice certainly are.

-Matt 

 

use suse.


I hope this comment actually makes it onto the page, because my last one, which had valid arguments why ubuntu should NOT be the distro Dell chooses never showed up, yet all the ubuntu comments from the fanboys do.

 
If you put ubuntu on your computers, Dell.  I will never buy another computer from you again.  ubuntu is an overrated distro, anything it does, the others do.  Your best bet is suse.
 

PLease: use Ubuntu 7.04 (ubuntu.com)

have ALL drivers installed and working

have ALL codecs installed 

abd all essential apps installed (and please, install NO useless ones ) do what apple does.

 

more info go to www.ubuntu.com

 

 

INSTALL UBUNTU LINUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

 
Brandon Brinegar
Desktop Linux is in a constant flux and has too much inconsistency, but I would rank [K]Ubuntu as the best desktop out there. Support the drivers and open up the options for consumers to choose their Linux flavor on the "Buy Dell" page with an easy-click feature. Novices and first-timers should be ok with default Ubuntu installs. Food for thought: How about for enterprise systems? Any Oracle/ IBM/ BEA support would be good here..I think Ubuntu is having a good reception in enterprise data centers, still plenty of competition from RHEL & Suse, etc, but Ubuntu on desktop Dell and more servers and certified support in the IT world should place Dell as a top pick for both worlds. One last mention would be to include some "Beginner Developer" tools, partner up with O'Reilly or APress, etc. and get some more Google consumer apps pre-installed.
 

Having a Linux pre-installed  on  Dell notebook would be very helpful to students like me. I have been using  Linux  on my Dell Inspiron  for more than a couple of years. I haven't had any problem so far that I couldn't find solution online.

   I would like to see more hardware support for Dell for linux like wireless cards and graphic cards
 

 
It's been more than a month now, and I'm ready to buy.. When will it be available? Will the offer be extended outside the U.S? I'm in the Asia Pacific region.
 

Dear Dell,

it seems that you're listening, so i take the time to talk... let me say that i really think that you're doing a great job indeed. I will not suggest you a distribution, because is a fact of taste, nothing more, but i want to suggest a modus operandi instead... hardware that works... that's all... easy to use/set with every linux flavor, and take care of new peripherals: bluetooth, ir remote, graphics card (for 3d desktop), smart keys (activate/deactivate, cpu freq, etc...) and so on..

Think also at mediacenter editions to battle against apple frontrow or windows mediacenter edition: take a look at elisa by fluendo 

 

Hi,

 I am using openSuSE 10.2 on my HP DV5292EA laptop and it supports all the hardwares out of box barring a few tweaks required for 6-in-1 card reader and HD Audio Device.

 
But I have not succeeded in some of the DELL laptops installing Ubuntu/openSuSE linux with complete hardware working. I've had couple of problems which finally made me re-install windows xp for them (the people i advocated for linux usage).

 
If not linux pre-installed laptop/desktops I expect at least GNU/Linux ready hardwares.

 

Thanks.
 

 
Tom Emerson

I'm ready to buy -- what do you have for me today?

My previous laptop, an OEM variant of (I believe) the Inspiron 3000 line [power notebooks III:16, to be exact] is suffering from memory lapses -BUT- it is running SuSE 10.1 right now, and in fact has been running some form of SuSE since about 8.x.  Initially, it was dual-booting w/windows 98, but one day I got a "green screen of death" -- totally locked up right after the puke-green default background of windows-at-the-time came up, and that was it for windows on that machine -- reformatted and loaded SuSE 9.something or so, and it has been upgraded since to 10.1 as I said.  (the cool part about 10.1 is that suspend now works [again], among other things)

My point is that your systems already work with Linux, but the point MANY people have made is that any "new" hardware you include MUST have some form of supported driver available.  Unlike most of the folks chanting the linux line, I'm perfectly happy with a binary driver *if* I can be reasonably assured of the fact that there is support now and into the foreseeable future.  (which, if you think about it, is really a sneaky way of saying that you really will be better off with open hardware)

I also prefer SuSE as that is what I've used for the last several releases.  Not entirely sure about the "microsoft deal", but I'll point out that FUD works both ways ;)  I'm also in a bit of a minority in that I tolerate windows -- I may not like it, but I don't react to it like Dracula and a cross...

In writing this, though, I did come up with a thought that may make a lot of sense: instead of "windows" or "linux" as the "OS", sell the computer(s) with VMWARE ESX or similar "hosting environment".  Users would then be free to choose which actual OS they will install under that -- even both at once!

Like I said, I am searching for a new laptop replacement today -- what have you got for me?

 
I can't find the 745N Mini Tower system in my company Premier
Site. Should I go with my order to Dell's competition?
 
I want a combo media center/home office computer running Linux. I'm not happy with Microsoft's licensing  conditions for Vista. I need the equiv of all the Office apps and visio. I want to be able to edit videos. I want it wireless, able to stream to another receiver in another room, more than 1 tuner, able to access hi def or regular programming. Cable or sat card. Better than 10/100 Ethernet. Lots of hard drive storage and memory. Popular media connections. I could go on.....
 

I'd definitely love to see Dell offer Linux PCs and notebooks, but they have to be easily accessible to people.  No hiding Linux computers through 7458945 links...they have to be right on the front page right next to that big ol Vista logo.

 My distro of choice?  Debian of course.
 

 

Recommendations (a little late, I know).

Ubuntu, like it or not, has the largest populus of new converts and thus has the largest buzz today.  I realize that Dell doesn't want to buy into a fad and so you're really wondering if Ubuntu is the right thing or something that, while less snazzy, is likely to be around for a long time (like Novell SuSE or RedHat RHEL).

I would actually recommend that you focus on compatibility with a Debian core.  My reasoning is that there are a lot of distributions that base themselves on Debian (Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu, Xandros, Linspire, etc.).  If you build in compatibility with Debian (which has proven to be able to survive for a very long time) then you will almost certainly gain compatibility with all of its derivatives.

Personally, I don't like Novell... primarily because of their deal with Microsoft.  I suspect that I am in the majority when I say that I, as a linux user, am really holding Novell suspect for the actions and will not support their efforts without seeing what is behing their virtual curtain.

RedHat is great, RHEL is a solid, reliable system... the problem is that it isn't free.  So you think, well, why not Fedora then.  Fedora doesn't have support for their OS for long enough.  1 year of updates and then you have to find legacy sites to get updates.  Too much trouble and Dell could be seen as fueling vulnerable systems if they don't make some effort to keep their customer's systems up-to-date.

So that brings me back to Debian and really back to Ubuntu.  Ubuntu is backed by Canonical (which I'm sure you already know).  Ubuntu has a release of under a year but holds support for older versions up to 3 years.  I especially like Ubuntu LTS.

Perhaps, since you are the largest company interested in providing these options you should contact Canonical and see if they'll add additional support durations to releases that you include on your computers. 

 

I like openSuSE Linux because the KDE, but it requires preinstalled Smart + a large set of repositories in order to make it work properly.

Ubuntu/Kubuntu is also great, but the desktop is not as polished as SuSE.

So I guess the options would be between SuSE and Ubuntu/Kubuntu.

Debian has one of the best package systems, but it is more for servers, same with Red Hat.

About Linspire and Xandros, I think people will only choose Linux in order to save some bucks, so, probably not good options.
 

 

 

Please use Intel 3D chipset.  Intel shows respect to our community by releasing free drivers. We want to be able to use 3D features without giving up on our freedom to nvidia or ati.

And while we're at it, why not setup Beryl or the likes by default?  :-)

Btw, I really appreciate this initiative.  I've never bought a Dell product, but I'll consider doing that in the future, specialy when I want to avoid the "microsoft tax".

 

hi and thank for the opportunity to buy a pc directly with linux. it isn't important which distro do you choose, but i would like a sign of compatibility or not with the major distros. i see mandriva spring as one of the most aesy to use and good distro fo ever.

bye

Marcello 

 
Matt Bruggeman

What's key for a computer to run Linux well is the hardware.  EVERYTHING must work correctly, and a couple of things come to mind:

 

*New ATI video (x1300, x1400) drivers not giving full 3D support.  This means no eye candy from Beryl/Compiz.  Use NVIDIA cards or Intel integrated video instead.

*The wireless needs to just work.  No NDISwrapper, no terminal, just always work with network-manager.  Don't use any more Broadcom based wireless cards, stick to hardware that is fully supported by Linux drivers.  I believe Atheros chipsets are well supported in Linux, but that's the only brand that comes to mind right now.

 

 Also, if the proper hardware is in the system, the end user should be able to install whatever distribution of Linux he/she would like.  Personally, I like Ubuntu and Opensuse, and have had too much trouble with Fedora.  Regardless of the distro, everyone has their taste and distros, so keep the focus on the hardware, and the software will work flawlessly (the magic of Linux).

 

BTW I'm not upgrading to Vista, I'm done with Windows operating systems.
 

 

 
No OS installed. :) GOOD IDEA
 
Ben Anderson
As many have said, have the option for no pre-installed system if this ends up being the case then include a CD with OPEN Linux drivers in .deb, .rpm, .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 formats so that they can be used with any linux distribution the buyer chooses. If you do decide to have a pre-installed linux distro then I would highly recommend a distro with the KDE desktop environment. KDE has a more windows-like interface so it will be easier to get used to for windows users and is more feature rich than GNOME or XCFE. The distribution that I would like to see pre-installed on a Dell would be KUbuntu or PCLinuxOS. So far I have tried Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS on my Dell 8300 Desktop. Both worked perfectly without worry, although PCLinuxOS was easier for me to use and set-up as a new linux user, my USB Wireless adapter worked out of the box with PCLinuxOS (ZyDas 1211 kernel module) and it has more configuration options that are all GUI driven. I'm thinking of buying a new PC soon, to have the option of not having Windows XP/Vista pre-installed and to have the reassurance that my hardware would work out of the box with linux would be a real bonus for me. =D ~BenA.
 

Linux is not a alternative for Windows. I think Dell should focus on a way of selling computers without operating system.

Linux and Open-source software was a nice idea, but it can never work. Who would do good work for free? I wouldn't. Microsoft wouldn't

I have a E1505 with XP and soon to be Vista, i tried Linux and i didn't like it. None of the hardware worked, and overall it was't user freindly. I gave up.

Mr Dell, i think you shouldn't waste time with Linux, just look at Vista Home Premium and Ubuntu 6.10??? Let me think which one is better.... Areo interface...12,000 drivers...Microsoft Office...More secure than ever... Microsoft Windows...

Thank you.

Nick.

P.S

I tried Opensuse and Suse Enterprise 10, nothing worked.

 

Ubuntu ubuntu ubuntu.

The are not stuck with Linux is for nerds. I use their distro, and I am impressed, so are my children.

Pushing Ubuntu will only support the innovation need and urgency to deliver inside Ubuntu circles.
 

 
Jack Ripoff
I'd really appreciate a Home Theater PC system running MythTV.
 

I said it before and I will say it again.

 

Open drivers. Currently that means:

a)Intel graphics card

b)A wireless card with open drivers ( AND firmware ) to go with it.

 

 

I would be satisfied with two options, first offering notebooks with openSUSE as an option of OS or offering notebooks with the option of no OS.

If you were to go with any distro other than SUSE please also offer the option for a K interface. 

 

 

grab the linux kernel, create your own linux distro "Dell Linux" for example !

base the linux operating system off of opensuse............

this way the operating system was built by dell and that fixes any support trouble :)

or simply deal with novell to handle os support issues, if support is paid it will not be any skin off there backs.

 

The biggest drive for Linux must be widen to include all major Linux distros on both business and consumer Dell computers. Most Linux users do not need a Dell solutions provider with specific expertise in any one distro. We want choices, not specialization. That is the driving force of Linux in both commercial and consumer applications.

Linux users, for the most part, are more than capable of troubleshooting their own Linux issues, provided Dell supports a wide range of distributions with hardware drivers. In that effort, I'd also encourage Dell to move away from their proprietary BTX path for Core 2 Duo PCs, and embrace whatever is relevant in the clone market. Linux is essentially an opposite of proprietary hardware and software.

If Dell is truly dedicated in offering Linux as a choice to its customers, you have to drop the entire monopolistic, proprietary approach in all areas of designing, marketing, and selling computers and computing devices.

 
Mortier Emmanuel

In a open-minded world as the FLOSS world is, the idea to have a standard distro is incoherent.

I use CAELINUX and Quantian on my finite elements calculation unit but I never expect to see any of them on a standard offer by a large retailer.

I understand a company like Dell needs to have a ready out of the box product and I think you can innove with a specific (debian-based ??)  original distribution.

Why?

Because the FLOSS is so dynamic the standard distro's will change too quickly to follow it and to offer a up-to-date product on a large scale.

For you, just give a compatible hardware with a coherent and working application base. No matter if it's a bit obsolete. The "lambda" user will enjoy it, the geek will see the compatibility of the hardware (in the store) and rebuild the system as he wants (at home/company).

So, can Dell propose an original product with the quality of the FLOSS (stability, efficiency, pricing, ...) and the functionalities Dell wants to give.

The linux users can save the M$ tax and the FLOSS world can find a big hardware manufacturer to help newcomers to discover it. It seems to be a win-win challenge.

 
OK, OFFICIAL POST HERE
well, not really.  my two cents:  hardware support is paramount.  it's nice of you to offer linux pre-installed, and i think you should.  but the most important thing is working with kernel developers to make linux-friendly machines.  the info is already largely out there and easy to find.  you don't need to provide software support at all, there is more than enough already.  most of the (many thousands and thousands already, and many more to come in my opinion) folks desiring linux primarly DO NOT WISH TO PAY FOR WINDOWS.  offering an OS-free unit (including laptops please :)) that is ready for linux to be installed is quite enough to prompt me to buy a top-of-the-line m1210 as soon as it's available, but i(/we) absolutely don't want to support Vista.
 

It doesn't matter to me what distro will be preinstalled. Anyway, if the default distro / options (partitionning, ...) and the like don't suit me when receiving my machine don't suit me, I'll reinstall the OS right away. Same at work where I already have a set of ready-to-run kickstart / PXE installs for everydays business needs.

So  to save time and budget I think Dell should give options to have a few distros preinstalled (ubuntu, fedora, ?) for home use, a few others for business use (ubuntu, red hat, suse), and even a "no os - leave my PC alone, but include a linux drivers CD" option for those who want to play with other distros and still get their hardware supported (yes, I have a few clients that want nothing but Linux From Scratch for some very particular needs...).

Very good initiative indeed, thanks Dell ! :-)

 

(BTW : I need a new home computer to run my Fedora... when can I expect to be able to order my new "Microsoft-tax"-free Dell PC ? Could you set a "release date" and advertise it on your site's home page ? Thanks !)

 

 
Francisco Rivas

Good morning...

I have a Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop, I feel really good and happy  with it .  Honestly I was installed Gentoo 2006.1 and believe me my laptop rocks. In another hand I think SuSE if you don't have problems with Novell or Ubuntu if don't have problem with the diamonds explotation and slave of black people ( I have problems with that ) but the distribution is other thing... Debian is other GREAT distribution purely manteined by the comunity. Another important thing is the window manager, GNOME is good, XFCE is good, forget it about KDE. A better idea yet would be create your own linux distribution manteined by a comunnity with your support, Dell would be a kind of mentor for the people who develop that distribution.. only ideas...

 

Viva Linux, I hope to find my preferite Distro, Suse or PcLinux OS in your notebook or Desktop.

See you soon.

 
FuzzyTheBear

The latest Kubuntu (7.04) also holds great promise.

the way it install is genial and everyone can use it.

if there was but one distro : ubuntu or kubuntu would

be my preferred and id certainly but it preloaded.

 

 
For most ordinary Windows users, 'Linux' means nothing to them. Most people don't even know what Mac OS X is, let alone ubuntu/gentoo/debian etc...

If Dell is to succeed, it has to be clear to the average consumer:

1) That the Linux OS will work interoperably with Windows/Mac OS X

2) That nothing more technical will be required than that already needed for Windows. 

3) That the GUI is not significantly different from Windows.

4) That the main benefit of Linux from an average consumer perspectice (which is lower cost @ $0 ), is actually reflected in the price of the machine.

Consider these four points. If any one of them is missing, what incentive is there for the average consumer to purchase a Linux based machine? None. 

And there is no point rattling on about stability, or open source communities, or fighting back against the Microsoft monopoly. Most people don't care.

I am not sure if these four points can be met by Dell.

Moreover, those who voted on the survey are evidently those that take the issue to heart. Most people (including myself) honestly don't care about Linux (sorry!).

For the record, I use Mac OS X, and would not move to a Linux based machine until it became a simpler process (despite the lower cost). I need my machine to be productive and secure (and I believe most people would concur), and absolutely do not have the time to waste on finding drivers, researching the kernel. Nor, for that matter, do I want to!

God Bless!

A.A,
gpuppy 'at' gmail 'dot' com


 
JahLives4ever
Finally, Dell is opening the doors for Custimers to freely choose non -  proprietary OS for their hardware (hopefully at a cheaper cost). Hurray for Dell. God bless you.
 

Kubuntu is mu current OS at work.

I would appreciate very much the option to by a Dell Notebook with Kubuntu/Ubuntu or any relevant Linux distribution ( Fedora
Core, Debian, ... ).

Main gain here is having all the hardware supported under the Linux OS - Wireless Card, Grafics Card, etc.

 
If Dell does not come with this option in a decent time probably when it is time to go for a new laptop it will be MacBook ( becase of the hardware support they offer and the underlying OS - BSD Unix ). 

Same reasoning would go for Desktop systems.

Those are my two thumbs up for this idea becoming a reality.

 

 
Ubuntu is the best option for me. Easy, beautiful and updated every six months.
 

Another option that would be beneficial IMHO . A Windows XP or Vista deployment with a Linux virtual environment. The huge benefit here is the opportunity to allow users who are unfamiliar with Linux the ability to discover, learn, and play with the environment while still maintaining a stable system for all their other activities. This will help to increase your market substantially as well as opens the door for more people to familiarize themselves with Linux.
I would restrict build to Fedora and/or openSUSE. If you implement this right, as the user becomes more experienced in the Linux environment, he/she can then experiment with the other flavors out there and once he/she finds a flavor to his/her liking, may look to purchase a pure Linux system meaning more dollars for you ;-)... I understand there are logistics to consider but you and I both know they are minimal  :-).

just my 2 cents.

 
Will Dell's existing peripherals be compatible with the Linux systems? How long will it take to release Linux drivers for Dell hardware?
 
Jon Robison

I see a lot of comments on here regarding distros of choice, etc. However, let's just get right down to the nitty gritty, shall we?

Pick either openSuSE or Ubuntu. Maybe both.  As others have said, make absolutely sure that the hardware is supported in the kernel, natively. If it's supported well in one distro, you can pretty much bet its in the other.

 Here's the kicker. Ship the system with a few other distros on DVD's. Let people CHOOSE to A.) Buy 1 year of simple support for openSuSE or Ubuntu, or B.) Choose not to buy ANY support.  Note that option A should include codecs, and/or links to where to get them. Otherwise you get a buttload of unnecessary support calls.

 
End result for the bean counters? You get a lot of users who love you for offering the 2 most popular distros, supported. You get the kudos and support of the tech geeks who re-install a different distro every week just for the fun of it. Cost? minimal, with any luck. Outsource distro support to companies that specialize in it; ensure option A covers the cost.

Biggest line item cost for Dell? The time/labor required to verify hardware compliance with the kernels. Hire a couple of Linux geeks for that ;-)

You are making the right choice. Now be smart and offer multiple choices centered around a least-cost (to both you and your customers) option.
 

 
I recently booked a Dell 9400 Laptopwith WinXP on it. In case you are planning to provide this machine with Linux would it be possible to hold my order until then?