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DELL-ToddM
Hello all
DELL-ScottH
Hello all !!
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DELL-ToddM
Hello jingle2
jingle2
Howdy
DELL-ToddM
Hey Kent
DELL-ScottH
hey everybody
DELL-KentS
Good Afternoon
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DELL-ScottH
hello robby
DELL-ScottH
hello damien
Robby_Pearson
Hey
damien
Howdy
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DELL-ScottH
waiting a few minutes to start, but in the meantime if you want to intro yourself and bring up any topics for discussion, that would help
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Robby_Pearson
Well, I am Robby Pearson and work for a construction firm. We are a Novell shop and are looking into some different client management ideas.
Robby_Pearson
I have recently setup a Vm and am trying the Dell Client Manager
DELL-ScottH
Did you find our Dcm page here ?
Robby_Pearson
Yea
Robby_Pearson
It helped a lot since I have been waiting to hear back from an Altiris rep
Robby_Pearson
I watched the little video
Robby_Pearson
And followed along with some of the steps
DELL-ScottH
not really my speciality, but I can put you in touch with the right people if they don't join today
Robby_Pearson
If this isn't the right fit for us I also need ideas for some other possible products we might heads toward, ideally something that would touch imaging as well
Robby_Pearson
Its tough since we are Novell and don't have a domain controller, seems like Ad is our next step possibly
DELL-ScottH
That should be a fun project, the guys on the Windows Server page here can help out quite a bit with Ad rollout
DELL-ScottH
damien, anything on your mind ?
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DELL-ScottH
hello tagamet
tagamet
Hi there
damien
I'm working with about 20 Windows servers. I'm fairly new at systems administration (within my first 6 months), and I'm looking for a way to quickly be able to view that status of all the servers under my control.
damien
Not sure if I'm in the right place for something like that ;)
DELL-ScottH
I think we can help with that ... have you navigated the site much ? ...
damien
No, this is really the first time I've been on the site.
DELL-ScottH
don't click on these links yet, it will kick you out of the chat ..... You can right click to open in new broswer
DELL-ScottH
start with this page --
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+systems+management
DELL-ScottH
it will help explain all the acronyms I am about to spit out
damien
Thanks
DELL-ScottH
On each server you will want to install Omsa ..
DELL-ScottH
this will allow you to point a browser to the server and do hardware administration and setup some alerts
DELL-ScottH
for a central alert portal , you will need to install Ita on a server that can be the collection point for alerts from the servers ... this can be a regular server, or some people run it in a Vm
DELL-ScottH
There are some demos on this site that will help you setup the infrastructure and get a base understanding ....
DELL-ScottH
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/openmanage+demos
tagamet
Hi guys, I'm not sure how/when it's ok to ask a question here. Is there a line? Or do we just fire away... thanks
DELL-ScottH
There's also some Enterprise Support Tutorials that the dell community puts out that are quite good -
http://support.dell.com/support/topics/global.aspx/support/en/enterprise_videos_list?c=us&l=en&s=gen
DELL-ScottH
just fire away
DELL-ScottH
we're good at multitasking
tagamet
Great, thanks Scott
DELL-ScottH
@damien .. that get you pointed in the right direction ?
tagamet
I'm using Ita 8.0.0 to manage approx 500 Dell Pe 1850, 1950, 2850s
tagamet
=) multitasking, nice
damien
Absolutely. Thanks for the links. That sounds like exactly what I'm looking for.
tagamet
Anyways, on our 1850 and 1950s, they each arrived with 2 power supplies each.
tagamet
In our Dc, they only ran power cables to 1 of the 2 Psus
DELL-ScottH
and anytime you have questions, just post them as threads here and the community at large is very helpful
tagamet
On our 1850 and 1950s, we leave the unwired Psu slightly pulled out
DELL-ScottH
so you have lots of nice yellow lights :-)
tagamet
Now, when I go into Ita, the 1950s all show up with green checkmarks
tagamet
But my 1850s all show red Xs due to the 2nd Psu not being redundant
tagamet
I am desparately seeking a way to *ignore* the red X when it's only due to lack of psu redundancy (we don't do any on these subsection of Dells)
tagamet
How can I do this?
DELL-ScottH
clarification, you want the alert log to stop filling up ? ... Todd is pulling a power supply on one of our 1850's right now ... we might have to take this as homework
tagamet
A little but of correction... I actually meant to say - how can I have my 1850s show up with green icons instead of red xs, when the only reason it has a red x is due to lack of psu redundancy
tagamet
ok np, thanks for asking
DELL-ScottH
ok, Todd pulled a power supply, I'm bringing up my Ita
tagamet
So far, I was able to reconfigure my email alerts to ignore these, and I stopped getting tons of emails due to the psu issues (nice).
tagamet
ok thanks
tagamet
Yeah, for some reason the 1950s don't complain about the issue (ie they still show green icons unless something serious is wrong). But the 1850s almost all show up with red x icons due to the psu redundancy issue
DELL-ScottH
yeah, depends on what the software engineer coded at the time .... I've got it reproduced here .... can't guarentee if it's something that can be fixed , I'll look into it more tonight and tomorrow .. send me an email reminder (scott_hanson@dell.com)
tagamet
Btw, the view that I'm referring to in Ita is the View | Devices | Servers container
DELL-ScottH
Todd had a good idea , how about Y-cords ?
tagamet
ok thanks Scott, Will do
DELL-ScottH
yes, looking at that view right now
tagamet
If I replace them with Y cords, won't they then start consuming twice the power at the rack Pdu level?
tagamet
ok thanks for confirming the view
DELL-ScottH
no
DELL-ScottH
might be a little more, but not twice
tagamet
(our Dc power ops guys did not run dual cords/etc due to power considerations)
tagamet
ic
DELL-ScottH
components will consume the power they need
DELL-KentS
Load is spread across both Power Supplies
tagamet
Ok, I'll put that idea into my hip pocket and discuss with mgmt/dcops
DELL-ScottH
we have a power meter, we can tell you exactly what it will be
tagamet
Ah, did not know that. Thanks!
DELL-ScottH
Todd is hooking up our powermeter right now, we have Y cables, give us a sec
tagamet
Np, your approximation is more than adequate. I can always snake an unused 1850 for an hour of testing from my users
tagamet
oh wow, you guys rock
tagamet
Feels like I'm a participant in Mythbusters or something ::cool
DELL-ScottH
Todd is already behind the racks, he can't hear me yelling at him, so I'll let him have his fun and we'll see what he says
DELL-KentS
Can I blow something up?
tagamet
haha
DELL-ScottH
we need some dummies
DELL-ScottH
ohh wait .... (insert your own punchline)
DELL-ScottH
any other questions from the field ? .. damien, you have enough to get in trouble ?
tagamet
Rofl, present!
DELL-ScottH
Fyi, another resource to get in touch with people that are discussing power and cooling issues is here --
http://www.direct2dell.com/insideit
DELL-ScottH
Marc Farley runs that blog and is on here often
tagamet
Thanks for the link. Checking it out now
DELL-ScottH
Todd hasn't yelled yet, I think he is close to an answer
tagamet
Up until yesterday, I only knew about the main dell.com website docs, and dellcommunity.com. I am totally newbie to delltechcenter <-- looks great!
DELL-ScottH
thanks ! we are trying to draw experts like yourself that know servers/storage/virtualization etc ... tell all your friends.
DELL-ScottH
where else can you get a Dell employee electrocuted for trying to help you !
tagamet
I am sharing this info now with colleagues of mine in other areas now (1 is down the hall and walking over to see what I'm laughing about)
tagamet
Haha electrocuted
DELL-ScottH
what company are you with ?
tagamet
Orcl
DELL-ScottH
Todd is alive !
DELL-ToddM
Ok - so the very unoffical results:
tagamet
drumrolll
DELL-ToddM
One power supply - apr 240 Watts
DELL-ToddM
Two power supplies - Ps1 - 145, Ps2 - 137 -
DELL-ScottH
my math says 17% more
DELL-ToddM
for a total of 282
DELL-ToddM
This is at idle
tagamet
Very interesting -- thanks guys for the really fast turnaround on data
tagamet
ahh, good to know
DELL-ToddM
usual words here about your mileage will vary
DELL-ScottH
ok, I'll dive some more into the Ita red icon, will take a little longer
tagamet
np, tks
DELL-ScottH
on another front , I was using Suu 5.4 today to see what I could do on the Esx servers
DELL-ToddM
But in general two power supplies do not take 2x the power, but do take more than 1
DELL-ScottH
some blog postings are saying that Suu 5.4 works with Esx 3.5, yes and no ... look on one of the latest threads for my reply to one of the members here
tagamet
Ok, thanks Scott, Todd -- I'll shoot you guys an email for followup. Would be ideal if I could fix this "programatically"
DELL-ScottH
you actually need Sbuu in conjunction with Suu, but you can use the Suu Cli to develop a workaround
DELL-ScottH
I'll have a blog posting on those findings soon ... here's the link to my blog if you're not already following --
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/systems+edge
DELL-ScottH
any other myths we can bust ? Todd had fun with that one.
DELL-ToddM
Robby - What virtualization platform are you using? Vmware?
DELL-ToddM
I was just going to ask how you are managing your Vms along side your Novell
DELL-ScottH
damien, are you familiar with other systems management platforms ? Or new to the whole realm ?
tagamet
Have you guys seen many problems updating Rac5 firmware from Ita using v5.40 bundle on Windows? I just pushed this bundle to approx 30 servers this Am, and 5% failed on Rac Fw update, exit code 1
DELL-ScottH
Not sure, my gut feel without knowing more is a setting in the Drac, are they all enabled for virtual media ?
tagamet
yes, they are all enabled for v-media
DELL-ToddM
I found an entry on the dell support forums about the Power Supply Redundancy question with the 1850 here -
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=pc_openmanage&message.id=3658&query.id=93235#m3658
DELL-ScottH
I haven't updated our Dracs in the lab yet, so maybe I'll run across issues ... if I do I will be sure to blog about it ... you'll probably need to open support issue on it
DELL-ToddM
Net was to filter out the alerts in Ita for this event - as you have already
tagamet
Tood, thank you for that link. Unfortunately, and funny... my userid on that forum is Greenhills. So that was my thread =)
DELL-ScottH
haha I win $20
tagamet
Haha
DELL-ToddM
Ah ha - I have connected the two identies!
tagamet
Ok, I've already opened a support case w/ Dell for the Rac Fw issue, just wanted to see if you pros had any further suggestions/info. Thanks anyway
DELL-ScottH
it was the butler in the dining room with a pipe
tagamet
<stewievoice> "blast! My cover is blown!"
DELL-ScottH
well if you get a resolution, please post it on the Techcenter so we can all gain the knowledge ... it's about all of us helping each other
tagamet
ok, definitely will do
tagamet
Need to help a colleague with a issue. Brb
DELL-ScottH
ok, well we are about at the end of the hour .. thanks again to everyone for joining, you can always view the transcript of this chat on the web so don't worry about writting down any Urls ....
DELL-ScottH
Todd, what's up for next week ?
DELL-ToddM
We are going to be discussing running enterprise apps on Vmware
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DELL-ToddM
Things like Exchange, Sql Server, Oracle -- You know, Important stuff
DELL-ToddM
I've started a home page for the chat that has some links to background reading -
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/04-15-2008+-+enterprise+apps+on+vmware+-+chat
DELL-ScottH
alright, thanks again, we'll hang out a little longer for any lingering questions ... see you next week
tagamet
Thanks guys. See you at the next chat session
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