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DELL-ToddM
Feel free to post any initial questions / thoughts
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DELL-ToddM
Hello Marko
Marleine
what is virtualization? does it require esx?
Dell-MarkO
Hello all
epinto
Q1 We just purchased 2 Esx 3.0 hosts + Md3000i. Any best practices for this specific setup? Q2 Is it a good idea to connect an interface of a Esx host directly to the Internet? (To run a vm firewall)
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cmojica
hello all
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DELL-ToddM
Hello everybody
Dell-RogerF
Afternoon
DELL-ToddM
Welcome to the Tech Tuesday chat
DELL-ToddM
Today we are going to focus on the virtualization resources available on Delltechcenter
DELL-ToddM
And as we go we can cover any topics or question that come up about virtualization
DELL-ToddM
I chatted with epinto earlier today and he has a few things that he wants to talk about
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DELL-ToddM
1) Running 2 Esx servers with an Md3000i
epinto
yup
DELL-ToddM
2) Connecting a port on Esx server directly to internet for a firewall Vm
DELL-ToddM
Anybody else have something specific?
DELL-ToddM
Hello Kent
DELL-ToddM
Well lets start by talking about the Md3000i and Esx
DELL-ToddM
There are actually several things already on the site that address this combo.
epinto
really?
DELL-ToddM
Oh - one word of warning before I start linking things
DELL-ToddM
If you click on a link in the chat window it will log you off the chat and take you to the link
DELL-ToddM
so beware
epinto
I'll copy/paste
epinto
Thanks for the warning
DELL-ToddM
There is a whitepaper on connecting iscsi to Esx located here
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/details+on+attaching+dell+iscsi+storage+to+vmware
DELL-ToddM
It covers the basics of what you need to do to get an iscsi array like the Md3000i connected
epinto
nice
DELL-ToddM
There is also a discussion thread that was started a few weeks ago that is about connecting the Md3000i to an Esx host located here:
http://en.community.dell.com//support_2D00_forums/storage/f/4466/p/19417779/19983063.aspx
epinto
Ok
DELL-ToddM
In the discussion thread, there are a couple of guys who were having some problems getting it setup
DELL-ToddM
They helped each other and I also piped in at the end
DELL-ToddM
This highlights two of the different types of resouces that are available
epinto
I'll definetely look into that thread
DELL-ToddM
There are traditional whitepapers, which are great and can provide lots of detail on a specific topic or solution
epinto
Sounds great Todd
DELL-ToddM
Whitepapers have been around for a long time and are a very useful way to communicate technical information
DELL-ToddM
The second type of resource is the discussion thread.
DELL-ToddM
These can be directly associated with any page on the techcenter site.
DELL-ToddM
This allows for questions and conversations that are related to a whitepaper or wiki page to live alongside
epinto
Gotcha
DELL-ToddM
This is one of the cool things about having an online community
DELL-ToddM
So if you have a question about anything that you see on the site - you can ask a question in context
DELL-ToddM
The site is monitored by myself and the other members of the Dell Techcenter team as well as various members of Dell engineering teams
epinto
Sounds great, I like that about Dell
DELL-ToddM
To specifically address your question about - should I plug one of my Esx network ports directly into the internet to setup a firewall Vm?
DELL-ToddM
That will work fine.
DELL-ToddM
I would recommend that you clearly label the virtual switch that you create for that port - so that it is clear it is an external connection
DELL-ToddM
So that Vms don'
DELL-ToddM
t accidentally get directly connected that shouldn't be
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epinto
oops. i'm back.
epinto
I'll repeat, plugging an internet connection directly to an Esx sounds scary from the security stand point. I know there are vswitches and etc... but how secure (or wise) really would that be?
DELL-ToddM
It comes down to physical security / management I think
epinto
Would it be a best-practice to do that? What's Vmware's position on the security concern? (and I know you can't speak for vmware, but you work closer to them than most people)
DELL-ToddM
It would not be good to have that cable moved to the wrong port - but people shouldn't be moving network cables on your server without knowing what thery are doing
epinto
I agree, the physical concern is minor in this case.
DELL-ToddM
As a best practice, I don't think that I have seen anything on this
epinto
It's in a data center with 6 levels of security, 3 of which are biometrical. No one w/o clearance touches this.
DELL-ToddM
If you had multiple Esx servers, then it might be more clear to designate only one (or two for redundancy) to have the external connection
DELL-ToddM
You could put them in a seperate pool in Virtual Center
DELL-ToddM
But I think that you are only going to have two Esx systems
DELL-ToddM
I believe that the virtual switches have shown to be just a secure a physical switch
DELL-ToddM
Let me do some research after the chat and see what I can find
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DELL-ToddM
I'll post it on the
Virtualization Frontier blog
here on Delltechcenter
DELL-ToddM
(does anybody else sense a great transition?)
epinto
go for it
DELL-ToddM
Virtualizaiton Frontier - located at
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/virtualization+frontier
DELL-ToddM
Is a blog within Delltechcenter
DELL-ToddM
It has
Rss feed
, areas for comments, and can be tracked just like most blogs that you see
DELL-ToddM
The reason for it is that we found just having whitepapers and wiki pages of infomormation doesn't have alot of personality
DELL-ToddM
So by having a blog we are able to provide a little bit of commentary about what is going on on the site
DELL-ToddM
And about other things that might be happening in the same topic area across the web
epinto
great
cmojica
it's cool to be part of a company with such a wealth of information :-)
DELL-ToddM
So I use the
Virtualizaiton Frontier blog
to post about the new stuff that I put on the site about Virtualizaiton
DELL-ToddM
I think that it's cool too
DELL-ToddM
Tell your friends and family - so that everybody will realize how cool virtualization is!
cmojica
already a big fan of virtualization, been on that bandwagon for sevearl years now.
DELL-ToddM
Specifically I used the blog to announce some
Microsoft Hyper-v performance testing
results that I did a about a month ago
DELL-ToddM
Hyper-v is the virtualizaiton engine that is going to be included with Windows Server 2008 - but as of now is still in beta
DELL-ToddM
The wiki page for Hyper-v is here
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/windows+server+virtualization+-+hyper-v
DELL-ToddM
The most recent entry on the blog is from last week, talking about a new Storage Vmotion video demo that was just added to the site
epinto
I have a Q about 3i
DELL-ToddM
Blog Entry about Storage Vmotion -
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/02-21-2008+-+storage+vmotion+demo+-+comments
DELL-ToddM
What is the Q about 3i?
epinto
I've read the marketing-speak... At the end of the day, when would an organization choose 3i over regular Esx 3.0
DELL-ToddM
The key advantage to 3i is deployment time
DELL-ToddM
And potentially better security due to small footprint
DELL-ToddM
Classic Esx or Regular Esx has the full service console which is useful for running some stuff
DELL-ToddM
Like backup agents
DELL-ToddM
3i also has a remote command line utility
DELL-ToddM
This allows you to run many of the commands that would have run from the service console - remotely
DELL-ToddM
The remote command line kit can be installed on Windows or Linux
DELL-ToddM
It uses perl in the background to make it all work
DELL-ToddM
There is also a Vm appliance that you can download that already has the Remote Command line stuff installed
epinto
interesting
DELL-ToddM
Performance between 3i and Classic will be the same
DELL-ToddM
Have you considered using 3i or an embedded version in the future?
epinto
is Is somewhat confusing... maybe it's just me
DELL-ToddM
The managment of the hardware is integrated into virtual center with 3i
DELL-ToddM
So you will be able to see things like fans and voltages of the server within virtual center
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DELL-ToddM
This was actually demoed on stage at Vmworld Sf in Sept on a Dell server
epinto
is the videocast available?
DELL-ToddM
Yes - on
www.vmworld.com
DELL-ToddM
It is the Diane Green keynote
DELL-ToddM
I had a blog entry about it here
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/10-24-2007+vmworld+2007+-+v3i+-+comments
DELL-ToddM
Mark Jarvis , Dell Cmo, comes on stage and does the demo with Diane
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DELL-ToddM
Speaking of which - Vmworld Europe kicked off this morning in France
DELL-ToddM
The opening keynote has announcements from Dell and the other Hw partners about embedded Esx
DELL-ToddM
That keynote is also available on
www.vmworld.com
DELL-ToddM
A final resource on Delltechcenter that I wanted to metion is one of our more popular
DELL-ToddM
It is the video demos
DELL-ToddM
We setup and test lots of things and decided that it was pretty easy to capture some video demos
epinto
I like that
DELL-ToddM
They include Vmotion, Drs, and Storage Vmotion
DELL-ToddM
The wiki page is
http://www.delltechcenter.com/page/virtualization+demos
DELL-ToddM
The most recent one was just posted last week - on Storage Vmotion
DELL-ToddM
It shows how you can use Storage Vmmotion to move a Vm from on Lun to another
DELL-ToddM
while is is running
DELL-ToddM
under stress
DELL-ToddM
Specifically it shows a windows server 2003 Vm with Sql Server 2005
epinto
gotta love vms
epinto
Vms
DELL-ToddM
being moderately stressed
DELL-ToddM
and moved from one Lun to another
DELL-ToddM
I show the perfmon during the move and there is definately an impact to performance
DELL-ToddM
But I think that it is pretty cool to have no interruption to the Vm
DELL-ToddM
When you combine this with a classic or regular Vmotion
DELL-ToddM
You could move a Vm completely from its initial physical location - without downtime
DELL-ToddM
And I thought all of the that dynamic datacenter of the future stuff was really far off
DELL-ToddM
Any other questions?
DELL-ToddM
We are getting close to the end of our time
DELL-ToddM
Any suggestions for future virtualization web chat topics?
DELL-ToddM
I can try to get guest speakers to address topics
epinto
Take in real world designs and have someone talk through the design, the Why's? the Why Nots? The Best Practices... I like that practical end of things. That's my $0.02
DELL-ToddM
Great idea
DELL-ToddM
I think that I may be able to get somebody from Services who does solution designs come in for a session
DELL-ToddM
Next week will be a Systems Managment focused chat, followed the week after that by virtualization (we are alternating weeks on major topic type)
epinto
it's nice to get away from the usual "promise the moon" marketing-speak and doing real world "hey, here's how this can fix your problems"
DELL-ToddM
I agree about trying to cut through the marketing stuff and focus on the technical
DELL-ToddM
We do that as much as possible on the Techcenter site
epinto
Thank you
DELL-ToddM
Feel free to call us on it if we get to marketing or salesy
DELL-ToddM
Thanks to everybody for coming today
epinto
Bye for now
DELL-ToddM
Special thank you to epinto for the questions and discussion
epinto
heh. See you around the site.
Dell-RogerF
Bye