nVidia GeForce 6800 or Radeon X850 ??

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nVidia GeForce 6800 or Radeon X850 ??

  • Suggestons please.

    I am ordering a new XPS gen4 with 1GB DDR2 SDRAM memory and 3.40GHz processor. The monitor will be the 2405FPW. I am agonizing over the $400 difference in prices between the two video cards.

    1. 256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) nVidia GeForce 6800
    2. 256MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X850 XT PE [add $400 ]

    I will play WoW, Battlefield and Diablo II for sure. Is the ATI card worth the extra 400 bucks?
  • Just got my Gen 4 with the exact same spec as you a fortnight ago. I specced it with the X850XTPE because like you I ordered the superb 2405FPW. (You will be blown away by this monitor!!) Its native resolution is 1920x1200 and running at this res will tax any card in the latest games like HL2, Farcry, D3 and WoW. If you got the 6800 which is the lowest spec NVidia 6800 series card you would either have to turn the detail down to get decent FPS or lower the res but keep high detail. (Lowering the res on an LCD monitor below its native res generally isn't a good idea as you then get scaling artifacts, although the 2405's scaling to non native res' is supposed to be great, so infact running non natively may not be much of an issue for you)

    Basically what it boils down to is whether running everything at native res with full detail is worth an extra $400 to you. If it is get the X850XTPE. If not get the 6800.

    On my system and monitor running the HL2 CounterStrike Video Stress test at the monitors native 1920x1200 with all detail maxed out, 6xAA, 16xAF and V-Sync enabled (need this to stop tearing) I get a perfectly smooth average frame rate of 51.37 FPS!! V-Sync disabled i get 80.86FPS!! Disable AA altogether which tbh I'm not sure I need because jaggies aren't really an issue for me at 1920x1200 I get 115FPS IIRC!!

    Enjoy your new PC when you get it.:smileyhappy:

     

  • I think the x850XTPE is closer to the 6800 Ultra than the vanilla 6800.

    I think the 6800 would be fine for your needs, if you really want, look at the cards just below the x850XTPE or look at the 6800GT.
  • As the $400 price difference indicates there is a world of difference between the Dell branded video cards. You are the one that is going to be gaming with this system do you want the best that Dell offers or do you want to make compromises?

    The question has been answered well by one of the posters the X850 XT PE is top of the line with 16 pixel pipelines and the 6800  or 6800 GTO have 12 pixel pipelines. This means that the Dell 6800 cards are 25% slower right out of the box then the X850 XT PE.

    Was reading latest version of Computer Gaming World Magazine in which they reviewed large LCD displays and with a system using a Nvidia 6800 Ultra Card the reviewer used a non native resoultion of 1024 X 768 to base his gaming portion of his review on. I could not imagine how poor the rest of his system was if he had to use such a low resolution to demonstrate the abilities of the Dell 2405FPW with a 6800 Ultra but if the Ultra had problems with the 2405FPW I would think you would have to lower resolution furthere with the Dell 6800 and then the 2405FPW would not allow these non native lower resolutions.

    If you wanted to skimp why did you select the Gen 4? why not the Dimension 8400 or the 4700?

    The Dell 6800 would be at home in a 4700 with additional cooling but not in a Gen 4. Personally I believe Dell offering these slower Nvidia cards on the Gen 4 is bad marketing since only individuals that do not have much system and high end gaming knowledge would select a Dell 6800 and once you ordered you have a limited time to return this system to Dell. The 6800 does not belong on the Gen 4 plain and simple to little card on to great a system and this gap widens when you through in a Dell 24" with a native resolution of 1900 X 1200 that my freind is a lot of pixel to render.

  • Well, my mind is made up. Thanks to the responses from the members here. I always liked Radeon anyway, besides you cannot put a price on having a good time.
  • always go with the best....imagine you start playing a game and it stutters cause your card cant take it...Id be safe than sorry.

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  •    Go with the thought to save the money and buy the retail version of the card rather than spend the $400 for an upgrade that is a neutered OEM version. The Dell card will not have VIVO and gpu and core memory speeds will be lower that an ATI reference card of the same value. Take the 6800 for now then get the next generation ATI card that is due out in a couple of weeks. I bought my system with the 6800 with that exact thought in mind and will take advantage of the price drops on the X850's when the new cores hit the street. These Dell OEM cards are not the same as what is offered in the retail market.

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    Edited for spelling errors

    Message Edited by se7en5ive2 on 06-01-2005 02:30 PM

  • With all due respect to the previous poster, I have to disagree with his statement the ATI X850XT PE Dell offering will have gpu and core memory speeds lower than an "ATI reference card" (I assume he means the retail version) of the same value. I can find no difference (but welcome a link provided where it is stated) between the stated Dell (OEM) ATI Radeon x850 card specs and a retail ATI Radeon x850 card with respect to gpu and memory speeds. When comparing the Dell-listed specs between the 6800 and x850 card, it's clear you'll get a lot more bang (enjoyment) for the $400 cost difference now in your game play. As for waiting until the next iteration of GPU and memory cards to hit the market - which could be in the fall or early next year depending on whose hype you believe - you will have had to limp along using a XPS Gen4 "gaming computer" hamstrung with the 6800 card just to end up paying the same $400 in question for a price-lowered x850 retail card once the new card comes out. But, this is my opinion and it IS your $400..

    Message Edited by VCraig on 06-01-2005 07:58 PM

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  • The more information the better, all links would be welcome. I did change my order to the ATI X850 XT PE and spent the extra $400. The XPS is a gift to my daughter and only hope that she will let me play too. I am more anxious to get this XPS than she is and hope the specs on the 2405fpw will live up to expectations. I have a couple questions on this monitor but will take them to the correct thread.

    Thanks again everybody.
  •     Core speeds of an ATI  retail card are 540 on the GPU and 1180 on the memory for the X850XT PE which also has VIVO so you could record and/or transmit to an HDTV and capture video from cable TV; something the Dell OEM is incapable of doing for close to the same money, when you weigh in the upgrade cost over the original Nvidia 6800. I've researched the Dell site extensively for specs on the OEM card and have found nothing other than sales pitches for the card in question. The 6800 in my Gen 4 is only hamstrung by the fact that it has 12 pipelines enabled instead of the 16 pipelines that can be unlocked on retail 6800 video cards. Even though these 4 missing pipelines are missing (unlockable) the card plays any game thrown at it including FarCry, HalfLife, HalfLife2, Halo, CoD, etc, etc, etc. Until someone with an X850XT PE OEM card weighs in with core and memory speeds, I'll stand by my opinion and if I'm wrong I'll admit to my mistake and apologize.

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    Softail: Enjoy your machine; as only an owner of an XPS Generation 4 can tell you; You're going to love it!!!!

     

     

    Message Edited by se7en5ive2 on 06-02-2005 10:08 AM

  • Per the ATI web site product specs for the X850XT PE, the memory speed is 590 and the GPU is 540 ( http://apps.ati.com/ATIcompare/result.asp ). Where did you find the memory speed shown at 1180 as you noted?
     

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  • Cancelled reply. Wrong info posted. Sorry about that

    Message Edited by VCraig on 06-02-2005 04:15 PM

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  • Let's try this again - Dell lists the GPU at 540 and memory speed at 590 under the X850XT PE heading, but to confuse the matter is a reference to the X800XT PE in the same listing? I took this to mean the X850 is based on the X800 architecture, and the fact ATI's web site specs for the X850XT PE are also GPU at 540 and memory at 590 supports the validity of the Dell GPU and memory speed listing, with the confusing X800XT PE mention notwithstanding.

    256MB PCI ExpressTM x16 Nvidia GeForceTM  6800256MB PCI ExpressTM x16 ATI Radeon X850 XT PEAvailability by modelDimension XPS, 8400, 4700Dimension XPS
    Memory256 MB DDR SDRAM256 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM
    ControllernVidia GeForce 6800ATI Radeon X800 XT PE
    Controller Speed325MHz540MHz
    On Board Memory Speed300MHz590MHz

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  • ATI's card and the Dell OEM card are two different animals per this post by a Dell moderator; draw your own conclusion from the statement he made http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=dim_video&message.id=113172 concerning ATI reference cards and the Dell OEM's. Double the 590 and you get the 1180 speed rating found at this NewEgg link for a Sapphire card
     
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  • You stated "Core speeds of an ATI  retail card are 540 on the GPU and 1180 on the memory for the X850XT PE which also has VIVO ". I read your "ATI retail card" reference to mean just that, as I think most everyone's interpretation would be also, as ATI's retail X850XT PE - which does have GPU 540 and memory 590 spec - and, by the way, identical to Dell's ATI OEM X850XT PE GPU and memory speeds. Had you stated/specified a Sapphire-modified ATI reference X850XT PE card has the 1180 memory speed I wouldn't have bothered to question your GPU and memory speed data comparison of Dell's OEM offering - it's an apple and orange comparison. 

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