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The Rest of the Shorty Story...

There's a lot of talk about blades out there - especially by Dell and HP. I’ll write more soon about the affordability of Dell’s M-Series vs. the HP Shorty. In the meantime, I think you’ll enjoy this quick :40 second video which takes a look at how the two systems stack up … literally.

I’ve always found it interesting that one of the main things you hear from HP about Dell’s M-Series blade server solution is that it is our “third venture” into the blade market. This is true, as is the fact that HP has introduced four different blade models into the market (PowerBar – HP; E-class; P-class; C-class). Quite the omission on their “Real Story about Dell and Blades” page. What do they have against innovation?

Blade technology has evolved significantly over the last 5 years and Dell has not just evolved with it, but we’ve anticipated it with our M-Series blades. Planned chassis evolution, which is what Dell has done, is a good thing. It means you are keeping up with or anticipating future technology needs.

My newest favorite comes from HP’s “Shorty”, the c3000 and the marketing around it being “…built just for small sites with big compute and storage needs…” (The new BladeSystem c3000). I think this claim begs the following points or questions:

1. If you have “big compute needs,” wouldn’t you need the basics in enterprise class capabilities like redundant network fabrics…or is ensuring you can access your data just not important?

2. The “plug it into a 120v standard wall socket and be up and running” attitude borders on criminally funny. Most standard wall sockets are 15amp, but I’ll give HP the 20amp benefit of the doubt. You can run four standard BL460c blades in the chassis with that, perhaps five. Six blades at 60% capacity with two Intel L5420 procs and 8GB of RAM is right at the de-rated, best practice, limit on a 20amp circuit with 15.79 amps. A power spike to 100% will blow the circuit. Shorty doesn’t have redundant power so if the circuit goes, the chassis goes. Best practice for Shorty should be to only use half the chassis max (4 blades), and that’s with low voltage processors with a maximum 8GB of RAM each. Not the best RAM capacity for virtualization.

3. A better compare for customers is the M-Series configuration below using 208v, which only draws about 18 amps on a SPEC benchmark load. (A 208v window air conditioner is normally on a 30amp circuit.) You can easily put in 4 times the servers (16), each with twice the RAM of the Shorty config above (16GB), using a little more than twice the total power of the Shorty config. If you drop the blade count to parity, you are a solid winner with more RAM, more I/O and true enterprise class features.

4. M1000e configuration:

  • redundant Chassis Management Controllers;
  • the Avocent iKVM;
  • 6 switch modules (3 redundant fabrics);
  • 9 fans;
  • 6 power supples; and,
  • 16 M600 blades, each with two L5420 Intel procs and 16GB of ram, two LOMS and two dual port mezzanine I/O cards (six total I/O ports in three redundant pairs)
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Thomas Cloyd

Paul,

Thank you for your response. 

In answer to your questions, I would ask you to consider the following points:

·         Taking your last point first, I was not so much picking fault as pointing out where I believe the M-Series from Dell can offer a better overall solution, whether you are buying a c3000 or a c7000.  If all you need is a couple of servers, then I can understand why the c3000 might be appealing.  In this case, I would question the logic of investing in a blade chassis when you don’t need the scalability.  Why not rack dense or tower servers instead?  If you potentially need to expand your server base, why not use a chassis like the M-Series that offers true enterprise class feature functionality with better “no penalty” expansion capability at a similar price point for similar features?

·         With the c3000, I was comparing what you get for your investment from a feature / functionality perspective.  Looking at it from this point of view, the M-Series is a competitive product because you get more enterprise class features, in an easily implemented solution, at a similar price point.  I will cover the pricing comparison later this week, but a quick retail highlight compare is 6 x M600 + iSCSI storage for $5,200 per server vs. 6 x BL460c + storage for $6,200 per server.

·         The only way you can get LOM redundancy with the c3000 is to make mezz card 1 an Ethernet card and team mezz port 1 to LOM port 1 (and port 2 to port 2).  This will give you switch redundancy for your LOMs, but has the net effect of reducing a 3 fabric server to 2 fabrics.  Not an economical solution which wastes external switch ports.  Mezz card 3 is redundantly connected, and would normally be used for storage access.  With a standard set up (no teaming), clients do not have redundant access to data through the normal LOM ports.

Redundant Fabric: “HP BladeSystem c3000 Enclosure technologies” http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01204885/c01204885.pdf . 

Figure 11 on page 14 shows the server blade signal interconnects (interconnects are the switches in the chassis):  NIC 3, 4 and Mezz 3 are only available on full height blades.

The embedded NICs are not redundantly connected and neither is mezz card 1. Mezz card 2 is redundantly connected, but ends up sharing band width with mezz card 3 when using a full height blade.

·         With AC (circuit) redundancy, the c3000 will only reasonably support 4 blades per my comments above.  This is with two 110v 20amp circuits.  You will need more circuits for storage, or go to 208v circuits which is what I suggest as a solution.  If you exceed 4 blades in the c3000, you run the risk of overloading the circuit, which means the redundant circuit will be overloaded as well.  I believe the M-Series is a better all around investment since it can provide true power redundancy without limitations and power head room for storage, all on a 30amp window air conditioner circuit.  Please note the M-Series config above uses 16 servers and 3 redundant fabrics.

 

Thanks for your questions and I hope this provided some clarity to my earlier comments.

Tom

 

Why compare the M1000e to the C3000 they are completly different enclosures, the more obvious and relevant comparrison is the C7000. I wonder why that was not done? 

In addition the C3000 does have redudant power and redundant switching, we have one installed in our business with full redundancy in place. The redundancy features are all listed on HP.com if you need to check them out. 

I don't quite understand picking fault with a product when there is no comparitive product available from Dell..