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Linux Rolls On

Know some of you saw this in last week's post, but I wanted to be clear that Dell does have plans to offer Linux to more consumers in additional locations outside the United States. More details to come later this summer. We will also offer Ubuntu to small business customers in the future. As soon as we have more details to share, I'll blog about both topics here.

Starting next week, we're going to tweak how we blog about Linux on Direct2Dell. Many who follow our Linux developments are already familiar with the Linux category on the blog and already have RSS subscriptions to it. After talking to some of the key team members on the Linux engineering team, it seems like there is an opportunity to provide more technical updates for folks who are interested.

Here's how we're going to do it: we'll have an expanded group of Linux engineers provide these updates that may be as short as a sentence or two that would be of interest to certain customers. These short updates may be related to a specific open source project, or may pertain to a specific Linux distribution, for instance. But instead of appearing on the main Direct2Dell home page where all other posts show up, these incremental updates will only show up in the Linux category. Now Linux-related posts that may be of interest to a broader set of customers (like this one) will still appear on the home page.

Bottom line: if you're a customer who uses Red Hat or Suse-based PowerEdge servers at work and Ubuntu on an Inspiron notebook at home, or if you're just passionate about Linux and open source initiatives, go ahead and subscribe to the Linux category. You can do that by plugging in this URL to your favorite RSS reader. That way, you'll be sure to see all Linux-related posts coming from the Dell team. What this all means is that you'll be hearing from a few different Linux engineering folks on a pretty regular basis: Matt Domsch, John Hull and Michael E. Brown will be the main contributors to the expanded Linux content on Direct2Dell.

This recent post from Tom Dryer caught my eye a couple of days ago, and thought I'd comment on it here. If the rumors about HP offering Ubuntu are true, we're glad to see other vendors join us in support of Ubuntu and open source. We welcome HP and other system vendors that want to join in this initiative.

And speaking of things that caught my eye, you'd be surprised how our recent Linux offerings are affecting folks at Dell. Just watch this video.

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Hi, i'm from Argentina. I'm planning to purchase a notebook for home-use. I use Ubuntu at my home desktop PC.

Could you give me some estimate about when do you plan to sell Dell notebooks with Ubuntu here in Argentina?

 
Thanks in advance.
 

  Orlando
 

 
While there are a few videos on studiodell.com that haven't been converted, nearly all have, and the plan is to post them in OGG format from now on.
 
flash challenged

Attempts to install gnash lead to dependency hell and I refuse to install the flash player for very good reasons I won't get into here.

Somewhere I read that Dell would have all of its multimedia in simple ogg formats (vorbis, theora,  etc.)  If so, where can I view this?  If not, why did you change your mind?  When I read you would be converting your media files I finally felt - 'Well what do you know, maybe Dell really does want to be genuinely responsive to the community!'

 
I'm glad to hear that Dell Ubuntu computers will be offered to small business users. I will be purchasing same in the near future.
 
Folks at Dell,
is there gonna be other Inspiron models running Ubuntu as well? What about Dell XPS 1330? This would be a bueaty have Linux running on this machine. Rolo.
 

It's a great thing ! For users , and for me !

I'am the Simple System's head.  ( A french Open source software service provider ). As we work hand by hand with proxyconnect to provide installation and support over Dell's product ( still windows in france :( ), we will be nearly able to do what we are born to ( services over Linux ).

I hope we will have a lot of support task to do for Dell's linux system.

Thank You Dell !

Best Regards

Cédric
 

 

>> Not quite. While you can run Firefox on Windows, it's the predominant browser on Linux. <<

No doubt. The point I was hinting at, though, is that having a Linux strategy should have nothing to do with how well a website works with Firefox (or, for that matter, any other browser). That's not to say that somebody shouldn't be making sure that the site works well with Firefox (because it should), but it shouldn't (IMHO) have anything at all to do with a Linux strategy.

 

About that 225$ discount for the Vista box:

 Has anybody even considered that Dell might have stuff/licenses on the shelves that they need to get rid off? If you look at Vista reviews and reputation by now, its not too surprising they're giving fat discounts to get the crap sold.

And RAM price fluctuation makes a good gamble for any OEM anyway, has always been this way, will always be that way, so if you're as an OEM get a good RAM price offer, you wanna get rid of your old stock quickly, what better way to use it for discounts?

 

 
Aaron Digulla
I've been toying with the idea to buy a Linux notebook for some time, now. Since you don't sell Linux in Switzerland, yet, I was wondering if I can simply buy the same model you sell with Linux in the US and install Linux myself. Or are these models somehow modified for Linux (hardward, drivers)?
 
Aaron Digulla

>> How can you push a Linux strategy when dell.com does not even work correctly in Firefox? It's comical.

> Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Linux and Firefox completely independent of one another?

Not quite. While you can run Firefox on Windows, it's the predominant browser on Linux. So the message is: How can I order a Linux computer from Dell *without* having Windows?

 
Urban Sundström: I'n not sure you'll read this, but what I've heard from Dell Sweden (had a chat session with them today) they're offering some computers without operating systems (Latitude notebooks I think, not Inspire) if you call them. At least that what they said to me. However, in my case I'm only interested in the XPS 1330 or 1210 (Inspiron models). Therefore they couldn't help me. Maybe if Michael Dell himself tells the rest of the world that every system will be available with Open Source, we might have a slim chance of actually getting what we want.
 
UPDATE: Well, thank you Dell for your graciuos offer on Vista-Inspirons! I mean free 2GB RAM and 160GB hard disk FOR VISTA MODELS ONLY!!! Let us compare the prices now, for we have to pay for this extra hardware on linux-based notebooks (oh, yes, don't forget to substract $25 for black colour on vista-inspiron): Right now, an Inspiron 1420N with Windows costs $864 and EXACTLY THE SAME ubuntu-flavored Inspiron 1420 - $1,089. Is this 50$ less? Sounds more like $225 MORE FOR UBUNTU.
 
Bob in Toronto

Although I need another machine like a hole in the head, I will be buying a Dell Ubuntu notebook as soon as they are available in Canada.   Why?   I want to put my money where my mouth is and show support for pre-installed Linux on notebooks and desktops.

Thank you Dell!!! 

 

 

Please introduce Linux powered Dell PCs into the UK market!

Keep harassing your hardware vendors for Open Source drivers - they will come if the demand is loud enough.

I loved that video what a scream!

Good luck to Dell and Ubuntu - you deserve it.

Al
 

 

>> How can you push a Linux strategy when dell.com does not even work correctly in Firefox? It's comical. <<

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Linux and Firefox completely independent of one another?

 

Just for the record, there is a market for Ubuntu here in New Zealand

 

 
Yossi Kagan

Would love to see you market these in Israel.

I would like to upgrade my old desktop computer in the next half-year or so. If a Dell with Ubuntu is made available here by then, I plan to buy.
 

 
We salute you!
 
Jonathan Orlev

I to think that 50 $ difference makes good sense, because there is no chance that Dell pays retail price for Windows.

 And, as I asked in the past from Dell: please start selling in Israel too.
 

 
Well, 50$ aren't much, but you have to calculate not onl the price for Vista (which has to be low, for Dell is a long-time Microsoft partner), you also have to calculate all the adware Dell is being paid for to include it in preinstalled Vista. All those antivirus and anti-spyware programs, which are just about useless in linux environment. I do welcome Dell's efforts to sell open source OS and i do recommend Dell to my friends now. However, this attempt is by all means hallf-heatred. There is still no real alternative, no direct choice between two systems. You have to look carefully to find open source page and even on this page you get a "nice" advisory whether you are looking for windows instead. You will only buy Dell with linux if you wanted to buy it and knew where to look for it. Still, it gets sold. Better than expected, i assume. And that is perfectly fine for me - can't wait for your linux offers in Germany.
 
MIkkilineni

$50 difference between Vista Dell and Linux Dell is funniest thing. Is there any possibility to get Vista with $50. No OS option would be the best option.  

 
Really happy for ubuntu, linux and dell
 
Great news, thank you Dell :)  Will definitely keep subscribed.  I agree that open source hardware support is the number 1 issue for me so I appreciate all the initiatives so far.
 
I really want to buy a linux notebook from you guys but I just have one problem.  Please include a webcam in the new 14" inspiron notebook you just added or any other notebook with the new santa rosa chips like you do for Vista?  I promise, tons of people would buy it instantly! Great work so far Dell team!
 

I'm waiting for a new laptop from Dell with Ubuntu here in Germany. So let's get it on Dell!

Nice Video, by the way :D
 

 

Care to explain why you made Ubuntu boxes more expensive than the same hardware with Windows again?


http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71327/Explain_why_you_made_Windows_cheaper_than_Ubuntu_again

Yeah, I know Ubuntu's a better OS - but even I wouldn't pay a $270 premium for Ubuntu over Windows which appears to be the case for the 1420 ($779) vs 1420N ($1049 if I configured them right) today because you're giving free upgrades to 2GB RAM and 160GB hard drive with Vista.

 

 

 

Thanks for all the work on Linux.

And nice video! :-p

 

I do have one question: how many Dell Linux computers have been sold so far? 

 

Awesome news - I just purchased an Inspiron E1505N and maxed it out (Kubuntu is my preference - runs great).

I think my next laptop would be smaller and more high-end, something along the lines of an MB Pro but made by Dell if possible - just to support where you're going with the Linux initiative. Knowing that my hardware is 100% supported by both Dell *and* Linux is absolutely golden.

I'm going to install the Ubuntu Studio kernel today and see if I can get this machine to rock out...wish me luck. :-) 

 
Hurry up and get those Linux machines out in Canada, I'm waiting to buy a Dell!
 
How can you push a Linux strategy when dell.com does not even work correctly in Firefox? It's comical.
 

Hej !

 

I live in Sweden and I want to buy a Dell laptop with Ubuntu. The Swedish representative said that she is not sure if it vill be on sale in Sweden ?

Please let me know, I want to be put on a waiting list, and I want to pay in advance.

 Regards, Urban Sundström

Sandviken. Sweden
 

 

This is good news to hear. Ubuntu to small business? That's fantastic. I am waiting for you guys to release in Australia as many are no doubt. I think a brown Inspiron will go nice with Ubuntu. :) Serious. Brown is good. And, oh, got a good laugh out of that video.

 

 

 
The rumors about HP are based on a 2 year old thread from Ubuntu forums, so they're certainly fake.
 

Love that Dell are embracing the Linux initiative, puts you lightyears ahead of anyone else in the industry. Fantastic PR too (which I imagine played no small part in your decision to adopt).
 

 I have been quite heavily involved with Linux for a number of years now and have always wondered why no (few?) hardware vendors have yet taken advantage of one of the biggest benefits that the GPL affords you - the ability to take advanced, production quality code from the Linux community and incorporate it into your own operating system. Dell could have it's own bleeding edge OS in a short timespan (to rival even Vista and Leopard), at little cost, with the ability to offer full tech support and all the while contributing any developments back to the Linux codebase. And imagine the fantastic PR.

 I would be very interested to hear your views on this.

 

Just watched the vid. 

OMG, DELL's even starting to become funny!

Dellbuntu sales really must be going very well, if staff start enjoying themselves that much :P

 

Wow, you mean the thousands of people and hundred or so countries finally made an impact? It couldn't of been that because those same people already have Unix/Linux installed on many if not all previously offered Dell computer systems. Does Dell need support from us on how to install Unix/Linux on their hardware? If so just follow each distro's web support FAQ's and Forums, thats what we've all done all along, or just ask. It works great too! I can attest to of having Opensource operating systems on Dell hardware from as far back as 1998 or so when I joined a place doing so already. Yes its rough going at times but the end result of interoperability with fileservers and yes compute servers (real work not games) at a very low cost (license fees) out exceeds any time spend tinkering to get it to work at beyond Dell's expectations and vision of their own hardware.

 
If you're waiting for the printers to get the official stickers ready, don't waste your money and effort, you seem to forget we value whats inside not stuck to the outside of the case, most users add their own art to the case anyway, whether it be shoe marks where they rest their feet to coffee stains from their daily hit of caffeine just  spilled from being to jittery from the Nth cup.

 Every day you wait to open up your hardware drivers to the opensource conglomerate is a day we buy another brand of computers. Notice I mentioned nothing about your install of an operating system, because we install our own OS with own preferred configuration no matter which distro you pick we'll still re-install if its the same because we have our own restrictions to comply with. So can you please sell us hardware with open driver support? Your suppliers are refusing? Switch suppliers.

 
A computer with Visa ony $50 cheaper than Ubuntu or FreeDOS, come on who are you fooling? No-OS, is that still only $50 cheaper? How much more does it cost to not install an OS?

Remember you're a hardware company, or are you now a Microsoft pawn?


I know, not easy questions to answer without a lawyer but if its at that point you're not much of a computer hardware company any more.