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Notebook “Tingle” Sensation: What's Going On?

 

Several weeks ago, a user from notebookforums.com reported concern about voltage. That post prompted other stories from folks like Engadget and Slashdot. About a week later, Mike, who’s one of our Customer Advocate team members, responded in the thread confirming that there’s no safety hazard with the reported tingling that some notebook users are commenting on. In a follow-up, he posted another update that confirmed that the issue does not harm internal components of a notebook.

 

Before I get further into the details of this long post, wanted  you to know that we’ve heard you and we’re taking steps.  Going forward, as we introduce new notebook models, 3-prong power adapters will be available. As noted below however, there are reasons why the 2-prong adapter is the current industry standard. 

 

3-Prong Power Adapter Survey

For existing customers, we’re currently investigating creating a program to make 3-prong power adapters available for purchase at a discounted price. We need your help, and that’s why we’re asking customers who are interested in acquiring a 3-prong power adapter to provide additional feedback via this survey on Dell.com. The survey will run from now until Monday, May 7.

 

Update 5/8: Thanks to all of you who completed the survey. Unfortunately, in the survey, we neglected to obtain contact information from you. If you completed the survey and are interested in receiving a 3-prong power adapter for a discounted price, please submit a comment to this thread and include your e-mail address. I will not publish your comment. Instead, we will e-mail you details on how to order your discounted 3-prong power adapter. We apologize for the inconvenience.


 

Because we have been shipping 2-prong adapters with the majority of our systems on a global basis for over a year now, we don’t have a ready supply of extra 3-prong adapters available. We must work with a vendor to develop a production cycle and ramp up supply.

 

Frankly, right now we are trying to estimate global demand, which will directly impact our ability to deliver a solution in a timely manner. Your feedback will help us get a better idea of how many customers would be interested.

 

“Tingle” Sensation Explained

For those of you who really want a better understanding of what the reported “tingle” sensation is, we have worked with our electrical engineers and safety teams to share a detailed description of what exactly is going on.

 

Here are some things that about the “tingle” sensation that Mike posted earlier that I think bear repeating:

  • It is not harmful to you the user.
  • It is not harmful to any of the system’s internal components.
  • This issue is not specific to Dell.
  • This issue is not specific to notebook computers even. A “tingle” sensation may be felt on many electronic devices that use a 2-prong AC power source under specific environmental conditions.


So, what’s this “tingle” sensation and what causes it? The “tingle” sensation is the transfer of energy from you, a 2-wire AC adapter/ system ground and contact with an earth ground. A “tingle” sensation may be felt when touching the exposed metal portions of the notebook and/or 2 -prong AC adapter when the AC adapter is plugged in. The “tingle” sensation is not an indication of a failed or defective ground.

 

To generate the “tingle” sensation, you must be earth grounded at the same time you are touching an exposed metal piece of the notebook while the notebook is plugged into the 2-prong AC adapter. The voltage will always be there when the notebook is plugged into the 2-prong adapter, but it is harmless to you as a user and the notebook itself. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, the voltage is not noticeable to you at all. Certain environmental elements can increase the chances of experiencing the "tingle sensation" such as weather and humidity or a person's skin condition (oily, dry, etc.) There's a bit more on this at the Dell Sweden support site.


The source of the “tingle” sensation is not your notebook, it's the 2-prong adapter. This “tingle” sensation is not caused by any defect in Dell's 2-prong adapters—they work as they are designed. Other notebook manufacturers ship with 2-prong adapters as well, and users of those notebooks may experience a “tingle” sensation if conditions are right. 2-prong adapters are becoming more common these days because they smaller, lighter and more convenient to carry—all things which are important to many notebook customers.

 

A 3-prong adapter is one option to eliminate the “tingle” sensation. The other is to change some of the environmental factors involved. As an example, the “tingle” sensation won’t happen when running the notebook on battery power. Also, you can eliminate the “tingle” sensation by connecting a grounded peripheral such as a USB printer or other device that uses a 3-prong adapter to the notebook.

 

So, how can you be sure that this issue does not cause damage to internal components? The current/voltage which results in some users feeling a “tingle” sensation does not damage the notebook because the energy flow is via the earth ground path to the chassis/AC adapter ground path. The energy does not flow through the components—they are simply not in the transmission path.

 

Several regulatory and safety agencies are in place to create and maintain standards for electronic devices. Dell meets or surpasses all applicable standards with all of our notebook and desktop systems. The logos of the applicable regulatory and safety agencies for the Dell notebook power adapters can be found on the AC adapter power brick and include the FCC, UL, CCC S&E, CSA, CE, IDA, IRAM, GS, NOM and a few others. The most important one to note will be a picture of a square within a square which indicates double insulation (2 prongs). Double-insulated refers to a safety method to protect users without an earth ground. This is done by using non conductive outer layer(s) with tight limits on current flow to earth ground. Delivering safe electronics has been a priority since Dell’s inception and we are committed to meet—and exceed—all regulatory safety requirements with our products. 

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Laura Sanders

I've been trying to investigate the problem with the electrical currents kicked off of my DELL M4300 and stumbled on this blog.  The scary part of how I even discovered how I have an electrical problem is that I"m pregnant and everytime I have the computer touching my body, my baby goes nuts.  I hope I haven't harmed her anyway.  I was initially freaked out that it could be the wifi, but now it appears it is definitely electrical current being kicked off..............Dell, please make it stop!!  Will a 3-prong adapter really solve the problem?

 

Laura,

I sent you an email but in case you don't receive it I wanted to comment here as well. If there are any questions about health issues then I highly recommend you contact our Technical Support group immediately to discuss the problem.  I can try to find someone to help you but that process can take a few days. 

You can find contact information for our support groups on http://support.Dell.com.

 
Charles Kooistra

Please send me info on 3-prong adapter.

Thx

 
All greetings! I have fallen in love today:))))) I wish to shout about love to all world ! :) Love this magnificent feeling:)))))
 

Hi Interested in getting some info on a 3 prong.

 

Thanks,

 

A Simple Question for Dell.

How is the tingle issue resolved when the electric sockets do not have an earth connector?

It's no good having one of the magic 3 pin adapters when your electric sockets aren't earthed.

Can somebody from Dell also tell me why I don't get elctric shocks, sorry a tingle sensation from other electrical devices?

 

Hi, im Johan, and i've been using a Dell Inspiron 1420 for the last 2 years.  Recently, i have been getting static shocks whenever i touch exposed metal parts amongst the keyboard or even when lifting the bottom of the laptop.  Im using a 3-pronged plug, and i am using a USB notebook fan below my laptop, though i get the shocks even when the USB fan is unplugged.  What seems to be the problem?  Do i have to wear rubber slippers then? :)

Thankz for ur time! 

 
Coleen Carswell

I noticed the "tingle" the very first time I used my new Dell XPS 1530 and found it to be most uncomfortable. For months, I have refused to touch the metal part of my laptop due to this. Other than this, the Dell XPS 1530 has been the best laptop I have ever used!

Please send me the information to receive the discount on the 3-prong adapter plug; however, I do feel that for what I paid for my new laptop ($2,400+), this adapter should be provided FREE.

Thanks,

Coleen

 

I am using a 3 prong adapter but I can still feel the uncomfortable tingling shocks. What should I do now?

My system is an XPS M1530.

 

thanks,

rod

 
Hello. The Good resource. Much what interesting for itself has found. See you.
 

Can someone tell me if the AC adapter & cord below is compatible for use with XPS M1330. 

UU572 Assembly,Adapter,Alternating Current,90W,Cost Reduced,Delta- Ac Adapt,3P,World Wide

UY685 Cord,Power,125V,2.5A,1M,C5 Dual,United States

Thanks!

Ling

 

 

 

So lets get this right... 3 prongs on the AC adapter to the power pack mean the adapter is earthed. but then the laptop it's self is not earthed and a charge build up can occurr in the case. Yet this isn't seen to be bad for the sensitive components in a Dell laptop....?

When ever a Dell hardware engineer works on a Dell laptop they make sure they are earthed and wearing an anti static band to protect the "sensitve" laptop components. Yet Dell don't earth the laptop during normal use which leaves these same laptop components exposed?

Personally I think that 3 prong adapters should be standard, and I have just had to claim a new motherboard under the warranty in under a year after the graphics card failed.... maybe was caused by some of these charge buildups....

 

I have terrible pain sensations when I have the laptop on my chest in bed. It hurts my heart & I can feel the electricity going through. I can feel it when it is next to me on the bed also.  My husband has a pacemaker & uses the laptop in bed..  He is only 38. I never heard these were unsafe but now I am worried. I don't like this painful feeling in my chest.  Are these laptops safe or are we slowly killing ourselves??

 
Mansur Syed

Regarding 3 prong adapter.

 

Getting memory parity check errors on the BSOD.  The 3 prong adapter, I hope, will fix this problem.  Been through memory and hardware testing twice, dell replaced the harddrive, and I increased the memory from Crucial to 4 Gig.  Still getting the parity checks.

Please send information on getting the 3 prong adapter.  Thanks.

 

 

 

I'm using a three-pronged adapter and still get the tingle sensation. What can be done to resolve the problem?

The touchpad after a windows stand-by starts working in a haphazard manner and doesnot function properly.

The speakers provide good sound but blasting on high volumes.

 

I am experiencing the tingle effect and would like to get a 3 prong version.  I don't want my  daughters exposed to this electrical shock.

My system is an XPS M1530.

Please send the information to my email.

 
Hi Bye
 

i have a 3 prong power cable and still experience the tingle. :(

 

Rich, you can use a ground loop isolator to get rid of the ground loop. They're quite common in car audio.

 

i purchased an xps 1530 and generally i'm quite happy with it, no shocks or tingling, it has the 3 prong adaptor.

 

BUT...

 

i purchased this machine for laptop dj'ing using serato scratch, and because of the earthed psu its unusable as this generates an earth loop causing enormous amounts of hum on the audio outs of my external sound card. the simple solution is to remove the earth, but judging by the comments about tingles and dead components, its a non started, so dell, how do i use this machine for the purpose which i bought it for? i.e. audio. its all very well sying use it on battery, but when its powering a hefty usb device, i reckon i'll get about an hour max out of it, which is not long enough for dj'ing.

 

any ideas?

 

There's no reply from Dell Technical support regarding this thread...and it's almost impossible to contact Dell Technical support with waiting time 40-60 minutes.

 

I have experienced this 'tingle' and I have had issues with the audio output when it has been connected to correctly grounded external audio equipment.

I have three machines and currently have to connect them to the external equipment (audio and rs232) before connecting the dell power supplies in order to avoid any audio problems and tingling. In addition, I now always use audio ground isolating transformers when connecting other Dell machines to external audio equipment.

I won't post the results here but I was shocked (no pun intended) when I measured the earth potential between a Dell laptop chassis and electrical ground.

I look forward to your speedy response.

 

I want to have this 3 prong thing... but i want it FREE!!!!

I have some other problems with my M1530 that i have bought 4 months ago. I won't list it here because of my bad english but hey.. 

I paid 1800$ Canadian..that's a lot for what i have received. I paid for the 3 years garantee so I should'nt have to pay for DELL's error. Even if you say that it's not harmful...It's electricity. It can't be good for the lifetime of the laptop.

Please...don't make me regret my choice. You will lose far too much customers if you don't react.

 

I am using a 3 prong adapter but I can still feel the uncomfortable tingling shocks. What should I do now?

 

I just ordered an XPS 1530 and as some say I would not like to experience this 'tingling' sensation even though it's "harmless." It is shameful that the site does not provide clear information about this issue during the building and purchasing process of the laptops. We should be notified of this issue prior to purchasing any product.

I would like to receive information about receiving a 3 prong AC adapter with my order instead of a 2 prong, since your goal is to provide special comfort to your customers.

Thank you.

 

I have just ordered an XPS 1530 on the 8th June and am really dismayed to hear the comments regarding a "Tingle" effect while using Dell Laptops.

While you may say that this is a competely harmless sensation I for one would not/do not want to experience it.

My partner has a brand new Laptop computer by another manufacturer and has no such issues..

Will the Dell XPS 1530 i have ordered come with this 2 prong power source? If so I would like details of how to get the 3 prong version sent with my new laptop instead because I dont want to wait to see if this happens before receiving a replacement I just dont want it to happen in the first place..

Please mail me with further details..

 

I would like information on receiving a 3-prong adapter for my XPS 1330, but I believe an exchange is a more appropriate way for Dell to remedy this problem. I'll gladly mail in my 2-prong adapter in order to receive a 3-prong adapter that doesn't cause this extremely annoying, distracting and disconcerting sensation.
 

 

Zach,

Sending email with further instructions.

Joanne

 

I own XPS1330 and expirience the problem described above.

I'd like to receive 3 prong adapter.

 

Please send me the information to get the 3-prong adapter for the XPS M1530.  Thank you.

 

I noticed the tingle within a day of receiving my 1530.  Other than the electric shock from the "floating ground," I love the thing.  Mine came with the bigger battery, so working "unplugged" is OK for now.  I would like to see a properly grounded adapter made available-- the tingle is annoying and a potential problem.

 
Joel Swofford

Please send me information on the discount for the three-prong adapter in the US. Thank you.

 

This is the most uncomfortable laptop I have ever worked with

I have had to stop using it

I would like to receive a  3 PRONG AC ADAPTER if that will sort the problem 

Alan

 

 

Just got a 1530 this week for use at church as previous HP laptop died.

Loved the 1530 design, and was thrilled with its quality right out of the box.  But after using it for a day or two now, I too experienced a "tingling sensation" and went to the forums to see if there was anything on it...found this forum.  Disappointing to see that the problem has gone on for so long...over a year...with no resolution.  I can feel the tingle whether the laptop is plugged in or running on battery, and my laptop came with a 3 prong/grounded plug.  So it seems it's not in the AC adapter to me, but I am not an engineer.

Dell, my personal computer at home is a Dell, and I just bought my wife a pink Dell 1420...she loves it.  I actually told me father and my sister to go buy Dell last week...who are both looking into laptops right now...as I was very pleased with her laptop and the new 1530 I just got....and I am still very pleased with Dell.

But, I would like to see this tingle sensation fixed via recall or service call or something...maybe it's as easy as replacing the "brushed aluminum case with something else?"  Or shielding it better?  Please keep researching how to find a solution as I like DELL and my new 1530 and don't want to send it back.  Please contact me via email if you have a solution for the tingle...it's unpleasant.

My experience has been that Dell has had excellent customer service whenever I've had a problem with the Dell I own at home, so I expect Dell will resolve this to the customer's satisfaction soon.

Please contact me via email if you have a solution for the tingle...it is unpleasant...much like the low setting of those video games where you try to hold on to the metal bars as long as you can as the electricty is increased.  Fun for kids...but not much fun when you're trying to work on your computer all day.

Pastor Dave

 
RE INSPIRON 1150 AC ADAPTER. IS CENTER POSITVE?
 

 What is it with these guys,

 

Here are some things that about the “tingle” sensation that Mike posted earlier that I think bear repeating:

  • It is not harmful to you the user.
  • It is not harmful to any of the system’s internal components.
  • This issue is not specific to Dell.
  • This issue is not specific to notebook computers even. A “tingle” sensation may be felt on many electronic devices that use a 2-prong AC power source under specific environmental conditions.
It is not, it is not etc. What about what it is instead? What it is is an electric shock, howsoever caused and however minor.

 

 

I was quite literally moments away from spending my tax rebate on an XPS 1530 when I stumbled upon this discussion.  Any Dell reps lurking in here would do well to heed the above warnings of customer desertion, because it has just happened.  For what it's worth, I also hold some sway over electronics purchasing decisions with family members and at work.

 

Even if this doesn't effect everyone, there are plenty of other laptops sellers out there willing to take our money.  I see no need in risking it.

 

 Hi,

I got a new XPS 1530 and I have also the same (tingling sensation) problem at metallic parts. I hope that DELL will solve the problem by providing 3-prong adapters instead of 2-prong adapters with no cost to customers.

Okan 

 

I just ordered a new XPS m1530 last week. I unfortunately read about this issue AFTER my order was placed.

After calling Dell's support to ask them if I would be receiving the 2-prong adapter, the agent RUDELY told me that Dell was not shipping defective products, and that I had nothing to worry about. He also said that Dell had no knowledge of the issue. Excuse me... you are telling me that the Dell support agents don't even know about an issue that was posted on their own forum???

The problem with the XPS line is that the casing is brushed-aluminum, which could potentially aid in the transfer of the electricity. Despite what Dell says about this being an adapter-standard issue, they should heed their customer's complaints and offer them a replacement for free. I am not going to trust a laptop that has a constant surge of extra electricity going through it, no matter how small.

My three year old HP came with a 3-pronged adapter, and I haven't had any huge issues. I am almost half tempted to cancel my order (which was supposed to ship today, but of course hasn't yet!) and go with another company. What do you all think?

 

Same issue with my new Precision M4300. Unbelievable, it's been 1 year since people started complaining and they're still shipping the 2 prong adapters!!!!

 

I need the information on the discounted price for the 3 prong adapter please.

 
steven zanetis

i need to purchase an adapter for my inspiron 5150 due to the fact that the electrical cord is frayed and my kids use the laptop all the time. I thought that this adapter was on a recall back about a year to a year and a half ago, but when i went on to the recall site i did not see it listed there. the model is PA-1131-02D    DP/N9Y819 I see one listed for a $99.99 on the dell site, is there any one that will work with my 5150 that is alittle cheaper maybe? thanks for your help......

 

I need the the information about a 3 prong adapter please.

 

Please send me the information on a discounted dell 3 prong adapter for my E1705. The tingle is uncomfortable to say the least. I am worried for the most part about my hardware being damaged.

 
Yolunda Altamirano

I just ordered my daughter and me m1330's and my husband an m1530 which arrived yesterday. Boy did I get the tingly sensation along with the headache of my life setting up the M1530 yesterday. The odd thing is the 1330's come with three prong adapters. Once I swapped the two prong with one of the three prongs the problem went away. Sadly, I purchased an extra adapter for the 1530 so I'm stuck with two that are useless. Until Dell comes up with a solution my husband will have to use one of the 1330 adapters. It will be an inconvenience. Needless to say, I'm disappointed. Dell should provide replacements at no cost to customers. I refuse to spend another penny after purchasing three XPS laptops in at once.

 

I got my M1530 for about a week now. Everything seems to work fine....except for the now much-publicized "tingling" issue. I can definitely feel that sensation. I hope Dell will stop turning a deaf ear to all the compliants received....until it's too late...that someday soon someone got hurt and a class action suite should follow. DELL has adequately been informed of the problem and failed to diligently redress it !! It appears that DELL is not interested in placing the safety of its customers on top of its priority list and should someday bear the consequence of its negligent attitude.

 

Avi,

Is this just a 1530 problem?

I just ordered one as well. Why the heck doesn't Dell just fix the problem instead of putting a bandaid on it? I don't want the 3prong converter. I want the three prong to come stock on my $2,000.00 computer. I remember in the old days toyota had the bright idea to sell trucks with a bumper as an option. That's how I wound up buying a ford instead. I didn't want to pay extra for something that should come stock.

 

I have been a Dell user for the past eight years. I have two Dell laptops and have no complaints about them, except for the screen on my inspiron 6400. Two days ago, I ordered the XPS 1530 and canceled the order shortly after learning about the electrical issues with this model. I am extremely disappointed but I am not willing to get electrical jolts when using a laptop and putting my family at risk (even though Dell does not consider these shocks as safety risks).

The fact that DELL acknowledges the electrical leak and argues that it is within the limits of safety standard makes matters even worse. Dell's solution is to use the 3-prong adaptor. 3-prong adaptor or not, the tingling sensation should not be there in the first place. My Inspiron 6400 has a 2-prong adaptor and yet there is no such electrical leak. This is clearly a design flaw with the XPS model which Dell should treat as a serious issue and remedy immediately instead of refusing to admit there is a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 
Michael Cheng

I am looking forward to receiving my new M1530 soon. However, having read all the comments on the "tingling" issue, I am wondering if I would be receiving the 3-prong adaptor with my shipment or still the 2-prong one? I definitely would like to have a 3-prong adaptor and I think Dell should provide one to all customers realizing all the problems the 2-prong adaptors have caused....unless Dell is satisfied with being catagorized as a second-rated company that won't care about customer satisfaction.

 
Peter Hamilton

From April 24th 2007 until today Dell are still sending out the same power adaptors knowing this can cause concern and discomfort...shame on you, why have you not listened to your customers.  I have bought two XPS M1530s and both have this annoying and highly uncomfortable tingling sensation.  Both laptops have been bought in the last 2 months so please provide me with two free 3 prong power adaptors.  No where did you advise of this feature which you clearly were aware of before I placed my orders and therefore they are not fit for purpose and neither are the goods correctly described.

 

Have just received my first Dell XPS1530 and for the first time in 2 weeks of ownership have experienced the electrical tingling sensation so prevelant in the blog that I have just discovered.

However the majority of the discussions / complaints indicate that the fault lies with the 2 prong power supply cord. The tingling that I am currently experiencing (first time) is just using battery and the power supply is still in the bag!

Any comments on this would be appreciated.

John.

 

I'm rather concerned by this issue, in te UK we have 3-prong sockets which carry the ground or Earth as we call it. My XPS 1530 cam supplied with a 3-prong adapter and I STILL get the tingle.

 

So what happens now?

 

  I discussed this issue with my dad, he has a degree in electrical engineering and the problem according to him relates to a switching power supply versus a transformer based.  The switching power supply is new enough that there aren't any real standards based around such.  The existing ones are based on transformer based power supplies.  This being the case Dell isn't technicly lying about the standards they aren't really violating. They are mearly ignorant or are being deceptive in not telling us such.

 The main point is that Dell is lying in the fact that this tingle could turn into something dangerous and yes it can damage components.  Ask a professional electrical engineer that isn't employed by Dell if you disagree. 

John S. said:

Are you seriously saying that Dell connects the chassis ground of the laptop to the AC "common" pin inside of their 2-prong AC power adapters?

You really need to get some education for your electrical engineers regarding the differences between "0 Volts", "ground", and "common".  Perhaps by having them hold a common wire from a loaded circuit under their  tongue with a ground wire wrapped around their ankle.

"John S. said:

Are you seriously saying that Dell connects the chassis ground of the laptop to the AC "common" pin inside of their 2-prong AC power adapters?

You really need to get some education for your electrical engineers regarding the differences between "0 Volts", "ground", and "common".  Perhaps by having them hold a common wire from a loaded circuit under their  tongue with a ground wire wrapped around their ankle."

I dare someone to try this, at their own risk, i take no liabability, but we can call you the poster child for Dell "safety" afterwards.  Grabbing a live wire while standing in a puddle would have a similar effect. 

 Seriously Dell, don't step over a dime to save a penny, you lose customers that way when we discover your shoddy design.  I love my XPS m1710 but between the DFS contract that wouldn't hold up in a Canadian court and this design flaw that you're lying about I'm probably going somewhere's else when I buy my DX10 laptop unless you change your schtick. 

 

Hi Dell,

I was complaining about always feeling electricity running up through me when using my Inspiron 6400. I hate it. I know others generally don't notice it but I always plug in an external keyboard whenever I can to avoid this issue. For those who get it, you may notice what's happening is there is a small electrical current that is actually moving into you via the surface of the laptop and this is accentuated if the bones in your palm are firmly pressing against the laptop. It makes me feel a little nauseated when I'm working and so if I don't have an external keyboard I often put something between my palms and wrists and the laptop: a book, some clothing, whatever I have on hand.

I guess that all adds up to me being one of the ones who experience this problem. I don't blame Dell in the way some tyrannical consumers seem to want to judge them based on the comments above. Instead I think that there's not enough thinking and testing done around these low level discharges. I don't think you can be so sure they are not harmful. They harm my concentration and the sensation is uncomfortable and unnatural. I use my laptop as a desktop replacement and I'd be at it up to about 16 hours per day - now that's not how life should be but it is realistic for my level of work. So I hope you guys can help us out on this one!

Regards!

Bruce Joy 

 

Lionel--

Despite your comment (above) posted on January 22, 2008 7:41 AM I have yet to hear from a tech support person regarding obtaining a 3-prong cord for my XPS M1530 AC Adapter.

Could you please resubmit my request?  Thank you.
 

 

 
Eugene Choi

I am interested in a discounted 3 prong adapter for an e1705...

 
Rick Magalotti

The survey comes up as ending in Sept. 2007.

But, considering the fragility (don't know if that is a word) of Dell AC adapters, I would be interested in getting another.

RickM46

 
Rick Magalotti

I have a Dell XPS M1530 - my third.

I sent the first 2 back (per Dell Tech Support advice) and got my money back because of the tingle problem.  I then learned of the 3 prong solution; ordered the 3rd which came with the 2 prong adapter and tingle; called Dell Tech Support (got a stateside rep) who sent me the 3 prong which solved the problem.

I ordered an extra one for the road which turned into an ordeal when working with offshore Dell Sales; at that time, they did not have access to the part numbers and consistently sent 2 prong adapters; finally got a salesperson in Austin Texas who had access and sent me the right one.

Here are the Dell part numbers from the Dell Label on the adapter just below the DellLogo:PA-10 FamilyModel DA90PS2-00Dell Part Number UU572Ref. No. ADP-90AH FAOutput: 19.5v, 4.62a.And then the number below the bar code on the white label:CN-OUU572-48661-79S-085RREV A00 Power Cord:Dell Part Number UY685And then the number below the bar codeCN-0UY685-50582-78S-05RTREV A00 

 

 

 

Hi,

I just got a new M1330 and I feel the "tingle" even when its not plugged into the power.

I cannot find anything regarding that issue.

Any ideas?

Thanks

 
Milbert Bayot

 Please send me information on the the 3 prong adapter for the M1530.  Thanks

 
John Hickey

Please send me information on the the 3 prong adapter.  I can't stand the shocks anymore.  I have the M1210.

 

Sorry to hear of your issue. I am escalating this issue.

 Joanne

 
Richard Price

I have just received my replacement XPS 1530. The Hard drive failed in the first machine after 2 hours use. I complained at the tingle and was told I could have a replacement power supply. Now my replacement 1530 has arrived. With the tingle and still only a 2 wire supply. I told customer support and was sent on a 1 hour runaround in technical support. Nobody at Dell technical support had heard of this tingle problem ! last week.

There appears to be Dell company policy to hide from this. My time is too valuable to waste in business hours to be fobbed off on a known problem. Like others in this thread I have been a longtime Dell user. I am astounded at the attitude. 

If there is a stray voltage problem and my first hard drive fails after 2 hours how can I trust my livelihood to such a product ? 

I dont think the XPS 1530 is going to be a success for me. Prove me wrong by making some response that answers the issues in a responsible manner.

Richard Price   

  

 

 

 

 

 
John Hiratsuka

My stepson was shocked by his dell Inspiron 600m and his screen is now scrambled. He was told today that this is not going to be covered by warrantee. I am not pleased at all.

 

John,

I am sorry to hear of your frustration. I am sending  you an email requesting additional informaiton.

Joanne

 

I have this tingle sensation on sector as well as on battery (less powerful but still here)...

I think thus, it has nothing to do with a 3-pin power adapter. The fault comes from the non insulated aluminium panel below the keyboard. Moreover many people are experiencing a corrosion issue on this aluminium which is due to a bad anodisation of the aluminium.

Sorry but a 3-pin power adapter will just smooth the problem, not solve it entirely. This is cheaper to send new adapter than send back the computer... cost reduction management...

Regards,

 
wayne fallows

Please send me details of the discounted ( should be free) 3 prong adapter. I'm a suffering the tingle, and it is not a pleasnt experiance, I will be returning my laptop if this is not dealth with quickly.

 

My Dell D820 has the same tingle. The reason for this is the metal in the laptop shell/casing.

Plastic cannot transfer the tingle, plastic is an electrical insulator not a conductor.

 

It is not related to a "bad earth". It is releted to the device not being earthed at all!

Tips: Do not touch the laptop casing and your microwave oven (or any other metallic appliances with 2 prong adaptors) at the same time... Zap. Specially with the softer parts of your body (Inside forearm, tongue etc).

Do not wear acrylic shoes on carpeted areas and then touch the device. Zap.

Airconditioning may also lead to the tingle due to the lack of humidity in airconditioned spaces. Keep the space well ventilated with "natural" air if possible.

Replacing the 2 prong plug with a 3 prong plug generally only works if the 3 prong plug's earth prong is connected... duh.

 
Douglas Cox

What is the status on this issue Dell?  I cannot believe that there isn't even a replacement part available in the US yet.  It is obvious this problem has been know to exist for quite some time.  I will be emailing CNET to ask that they do a follow-up on this issue in the US as they seem to have been able to get a replacement part where they were located.

 

I cannot believe i may have to pay for this... but i cannot stand this "tingle" or random shocks anymore fix this dell............ this is an issue not just a "it wont kill you so why should we fix it thing..." 

 

Hi Lionel Menchaca,

I would also like to be contacted regarding the "3 pronge". Thank you in advance.

I would also comment on what you wrote about the tingle sensation: You wrote that this is normal and it won't harm the users, nor the internal hardware. But be honest. This is WRONG. I don't like to touch a thing that gives me tingling problem every day, every second. It is just not pleasant for me to feel that sensation. It may be normal for DELL, but it isn't for me. We have many devices with metal surface (or aluminum), but we did not face this "normal bahaviuor" in the past! I don't have a cell phone with tingeling sensation, I don't have a remote control with that sensation ´, and I don't LIKE that sensation.

What I am trying to say is, for the sake of god, try to look at this issue from user's eyes. Do you really like to own a mobile phone with tingeling sensation? and do you really like it, when your mobile company tells you that this is normal and you may live with it because it won't harm you OR you may have to pay for it to fix it?

 

Nicholas: I have asked someone from Technical Support to contact you.

I'm not suggesting that the tingle sensation will happen constantly. The reality is that it may be felt by some people with two-wire adapters when certain environmental conditions are met.

In other words, the tingle may happen occasionally for some customers with two-wire adapters.  

 

I just checked my 2-prong Dell power adapter, and it is not wired with DC ground connected to the common pin.  Otherwise when plugged into a GFCI outlet with the DC ground ring contacting a water pipe, it would have tripped the outlet's GFCI breaker. 

My laptop does not shock (or, ahem, "tingle") me either.

So was there a design change, or could you elaborate more on the conditions that lead to current leakage between the DC side and AC side of the power adapter?

Surely the adapter could have been designed to provide better isolation under those conditions?  The conditions seem to be common enough that there are plenty of people complaining about getting shocked.

 

 

Are you seriously saying that Dell connects the chassis ground of the laptop to the AC "common" pin inside of their 2-prong AC power adapters?

You really need to get some education for your electrical engineers regarding the differences between "0 Volts", "ground", and "common".  Perhaps by having them hold a common wire from a loaded circuit under their  tongue with a ground wire wrapped around their ankle.

 

 

I picked up a M1530 last week in the UK (so about the 15/01/08) and it has been doing it out of the box. I could not decide if it was the feeling of the brushed aluminum or a real buzz...

They say it can't harm you:
http://www.dellcommunity.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=Tech_Talk_XPS_Laptop&thread.id=2719
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/04/24/8522.aspx

Rubber gloves maybe :)

I am not sure that it can't harm you. If it is not earthed correctly can't some sort of charge build up and then give you a 'belt'!
 

 


 

 

Does this effect UK users who always have an earth by default on their plugs?

 

UK user: It's not just the plug, it depends on the type of power adapter you have. If you have a two-wire adapter, you may experience the tingle eeven if you have an earth default at the wall. But, even then, this tingle can only be felt by some people under environmental conditions,

In other words, the tingle does not happen with a three-wire AC adapter.

 
Gordon Muir

Dell, whether you have a user problem or a percieved problem - I for one will not buy another Dell laptop in the near future because of the way Dell have handled this problem. Taking a survey over several months is a joke. The small outlay it would cost Dell to supply free of charge an earthed adapter to any laptop user experiencing problems would be more comensorate with the customer service that Dell purchasers are accustomed to. This would have turned a negative into a positive.

This was a small probem that should have been hastily dealt with, instead this has been drawn out to a major saga, turning a small negative into a customer losing fiasco.

 

 

Oh dear,

What a horrible thing! I was seriously considering buying and XPS notebook as it looked so sleek and was value for money. And I heard that Dell had good after-sales service. But thankfully I read up a bit more and discovered this 'shock' issue. Won't be buying a Dell after all. Hello Sony VAIO...

 

 I would like to purchase one also.

 

Hoa, Jim, RB, and Geoff: Thanks for your comments. I've asked someone from our Technical Support teams to contact you both.

For further discussion, you can also visit this Dell Community Forum thread that I referenced in my updated post on this topic.

 

Just read the "revisited" post about his subject here:
http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2008/01/18/41538.aspx 

If it's not too late to find out about a discount three-prong, I'd like one for my new XPS M1530.   Please advise.

Thank you. 

 

 I just purchased a D630 and it has this problem.  Please send me details about the replacement power assembly.

 

 Hello,

 I bought two dell xps m1330s.  I would like to obtain two 3-prong AC adapters for both xps m1330s.

 Please contact me about the details.  It would be ideal if they are free upgrades.

 
Thank you.


 

 
David Gabler

Laptop Inspiron e1505.  One for me and a duplicate for my wife.  we BOTH get shocked from the laptop when standing up from the couch.  These shocks HURT.  They are worse than static electricity shocks, well about as bad a very strong static shock.  The shock typically comes from a screw on the bottom of the laptop near the headphone/sd slot.  This is because this is where you hand is.  We are using the three prong (90w) version of power chargers.

 

David: Sorry to see that your Inspiron 1505 is causing some problems. I will ask someone from Tech Support to contact you so we can get to the bottom of the issue you describe.

 

Dell's position seems to be that its systems and power supplies may give harmless but unpleasant electric shocks to users under some circumstances by design.  It is clear from the comments here that many users have the expectation that consumer products will not give an electric shock on contact with the casing under any circumstances (except hardware failure, in which case it should be replaced under warranty).  I should hope that Dell would take the feedback on board and design all future products not to give electric shocks.  In the meantime, might I ask that Dell prominently advertise this 'feature' on the product description and configuration pages on its website for all affected products?  Perhaps: 'This system is designed to give the user harmless electric shocks under some environmental conditions' would be appropriate.  At least then potential customers can make an informed purchasing decision.

 

Simon: Thanks for your feedback. Just so you know, I recently added an updated post on this topic. You can read it here.

The reality is that any notebook with a two-wire adapter can exhibit this tingle under certain environmental conditions. This tingle is a different thing than static electricity.

 
J.Routledge

I can't believe what I've just read above.

 Electrical equipment is NOT supposed to give out any kind of 'Tingle' or 'Electric Shock' and I can't believe the excuses Dell are making to justify this problem. I discovered this blog while trying to solve an electric shock problem on a Latitude D620 with a 3 pin mains psu, which I am expecting to be a traceable and repairable fault, and hopefully not a series of excuses and fob offs. Dell laptop batteries only appear to give a 30min runtime when they're 6 months old too, yet Dell won't replace these as a warranty repair either.

 

J. Routledge: Sorry for the problems you've had with your laptop. Will ask someone from Tech Support to contact you.

 
Theresa Daguman

I believe you owe users a 3-prong adapter for FREE, and not just discounted.

This is the proper way to keep your business and your loyal customers. I have a DELL 710m so please send a 3 prong adapter.


 

 
John Pruitt

After 3 months fighting with the "System Halted" Blue screen, Dell finally agreed to give my money back.  I had first called them 3 days after I took delivery.  They sent out new MB and new Memory.  Still did not fix issue.

On 9-14-07 Dell agreed to give me a full refund and gave me an RMA number.  My unit is the E1705 and it has the 3 prong power adapter.  I am thinking either an IBM Think Pad handled by Lenevo now or an Apple. I just need something reliable.

 
James McIntosh
I would be interested in a new adapter, I'm getting tired on the continued "shocks"
 

I would like one. maybe it wll fix the error ive been getting on my m1330:

*** Hardware Malfunction
Call your hardware vendor for support
NMI: Parity Check/Memory Parity Error
*** The system has halted ***

could someone look into this? seems like alot of people have this issue across the spectrum of dell laptops

 
Mac notebooks come with both plugs. Dell should include them for free.
 
Saiful Molla
I purchased a Dell Inspiron 1450 laptop 5 years ago that came with a 3 prong power adaptor and have not had any problems. I am surprised the 2 prong is now the standard. I plan to purchase my next laptop (seriously considering the xps 1330) and hope the power adaptor has 3 prongs. It is easier to convert from a 3 prong to 2 prong with a simple attachement so I'd rather have the 3 prong. I do hate the tingling feeling.
 
I would like to buy one too.
 
I would like to buy one.
 
Justin Broad

Please let me know how I can get a 3 prong power adapter for my XPS M1710. Thanks...

 
Jean-Louis Dupond
And my second Inspiron 9400 died again ... 4 months old .. Great DELL :(
 
Lawrence Barling

Have a D820 purchased in April and have this problem... is the discounted power adapter still available - thanks

 
Bill Westerman
I just stumbled onto this forum and would like to get a 3-prong power cord to replace the current 2-prong on my Dell Inspiron.  I have had an automatic implantable cardioverter defibrillator implanted in my abdomen since 1993 (actually on my third device - batteries only last a few years) when I developed a serious heart arrhythmia due to infection from Lyme Disease.  I have been having some strange things happening lately while using my Dell in the in-bed  laptop-on-my-chest position.  I completely forgot about the potential for electrical interference between the two devices and have discontinued such use, but would still like to get a three pronged connector.  Please advise.  thanks much.
 
Looks like this thread (and the suggested power supply replacement program) are as dead as the Inspiron 9400 appears to be...
 

hi, please send me details of how to get a replacement brick to power my i9k4.  an engineer is calling here tomorrow to replace lots of internals but i have no faith it will be a long-term solution so i want an earthed power supply as insurance.  what a mess you're in dell!  :( 

 

 

 
Are there any updates from a Dell representative?  I would rather not get shocked. 
 
Brandon Watts
I too just stumbled on this thread and have been having the problems mentioned by others.  Can I get the information on the discounted 3-prong adapters please?  Thanks -
 
Harry Nashed
re: "please submit a comment to this thread and include your e-mail address. I will not publish your comment. Instead, we will e-mail you details on how to order your discounted 3-prong power adapter."

Thanks in advance for sending me information on purchasing the 3-prong power adapter.
 

I just found this page, so I didn't fill out the survey, but I am very interested in getting a 3-prong AC adapter.  I have called Dell a few times but customer service has been no help to me, completely unwilling to acknowledge any problem or provide any solution.  Please send me more details, as I would much appreciate getting a discounted 3-prong AC adapter (I would have preferred if Dell would just own up to the problems and send them for free).

One other thing:  One of the above comments indicated that in some regions (such as Japan) the two-prong version was required.  Why is this?  Is it a sign of safety somehow that your product doesn't need a 3-prong adapter?  I guess, given some of my international power adapters, that some regions may not even support this.
 

 

Update 5/8: Thanks to all of you who completed the survey. Unfortunately, in the survey, we neglected to obtain contact information from you. If you completed the survey and are interested in receiving a 3-prong power adapter for a discounted price, please submit a comment to this thread and include your e-mail address. I will not publish your comment. Instead, we will e-mail you details on how to order your discounted 3-prong power adapter. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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Can a PA-1131-02D three-prong power supply (Inspiron 5150) be used on the Inspiron 9400? I just found one in our pile of spare parts.

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"I wanted to address the issue with the power supply/power cord.  I spoke to one of our senior technical agents on site here, and the Inspiron 9400 (to his knowledge) is now only manufactured with a 3-prong adapter.  With that, the new unit, should be coming to you with a 3-prong power adapter."

I subsequently received two, 2-prong adapters with my replacement 9400, not the 3-prong adapters that were promised. Given the statement above, would it be reasonable to ask that you provide me with two 3-prong adapters at no charge?

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No response received to the above, as of May 29.

 

Can a PA-1131-02D three-prong power supply (Inspiron 5150) be used on the Inspiron 9400? I just found one in our pile of spare parts.

 
Menez Chapleau

Please e-mail me details on the 3-prong power adapter.

Thank you.

 PS : Am currently investigating ways to resolve "NMI Memory parity error" I often get. These errors started a couple weeks after I got my 6400, back in June 2006. Happens once-twice a week. Talked to several technicians since then, did all the tests : everything seems okay. Will call the tech again tomorrow. Am extremely annoyed with this problem. As it is, my data is not safe on this Dell. I just hope the 3-prong power adapter will finally make my computer work the way it should!

 
Anand sancheti
I have the same issue and my adapter some times beeps too.
 

It's obvious that there is a problem. Failure after failure occurs with the two prong. Switch to a 3 prong and everything works fine. I went through 4 sticks of RAM then I purchased a 3-prong and haven't had a problem since. GIVE ME A BREAK. I have been working in the field for a while. I have not seen any company skirt around an issue this much since the Compaq EP 400 Matrox video card issue.

 I will not be ordering from Dell again. Dell has lost my trust. I will also pass along this tale to all clients and relations and let them make their own decisions.

Really even a postive outcome from this point while relavent will not be enough to win my trust.

 

 

Regarding availablity of 3-prong adapters at a discounted price: I would like to share the following correspondence that I had with the Executive Support office of Dell Canada on March 26, 2007:

"I wanted to address the issue with the power supply/power cord.  I spoke to one of our senior technical agents on site here, and the Inspiron 9400 (to his knowledge) is now only manufactured with a 3-prong adapter.  With that, the new unit, should be coming to you with a 3-prong power adapter."

I subsequently received two, 2-prong adapters with my replacement 9400, not the 3-prong adapters that were promised. Given the statement above, would it be reasonable to ask that you provide me with two 3-prong adapters at no charge? Note that I originally purchased two adapters because I split my time between two offices.

 

Mike Bukowski, you impatience seems to be showing a little. You emphasize that people may experience tingling when certain environmental conditions exist . But this is not the point.

The point is that the significant current leakage exists and can be measured between the notebook case and a ground source under any environmental conditions. You are treating a symptom as thought it was a cause. In other words: no tingle = no problem. This is wrong.

Yesterday a story broke in the general press about a study that shows that a popular personal music player (yes, that popular player) can cause problems with pacemakers. As a result, doctors are now warning patients to not use these players in their shirt pockets.

My Inspiron 9400 put out 250 to 300 milliamps at AC 45 volts. This is way more power than any personal music player can possibly put out. Do you not think that a significant potential exists for a catastrophic event, if a user with a pacemarker inadvertently used one of your ungrounded products when certain environmental conditions exist ?

Exactly how much testing has Dell done with pacemakers and other sensitive electronic medical devices and Dell ungrounded AC powered portable computing devices?

 
Mark Ryan Miller

Please send me details about replacement three prong adapter.  Thank you.

I do agree with other comments that Dell needs to address this as replacement.  This is a PR issue.  I am current an MBA myself, and I can tell you that Dell's MBA's were asleep in class when they discussed "lifetime customer value". 

I am also an IT consultant who recommends and purchases equipment.  I used to suggest Dell, but am not sure about the quality anymore.  I purchased a M1210 back in September with several issues (power supply making noise, hum on audio when using the power supply, and buzz coming from the motherboard).  Thank goodness I bought a 3 year service warranty.  The only reason I haven't called yet is because I'm extremely busy, and don't want to deal with the terrible Dell support.

 
Colin Jones

I find it quite bizarre that a problem that has seemingly not affected large numbers of other Dell laptops is met with the comments that just because this one does it is a perfectly normal thing to happen.

How many different models have Dell sold with two prong adapters over the years, why has this only become an issue with these laptops Inspirion 6400 and 9400 it seems (not sure of others?)

Why should I have to buy something that shields me and the laptop from static which any designer should know can be fairly deadly to IT equipment. (maybe Dell could sell a static wristband for its users instead?)

The survey is now over so I presume I will be contacted via the e-mail I leave from this post.

 

(I have no idea if my laptop in the UK is affected (we have a 3 prong wall socket plug but the lead from the laptop to the brick is two prong) 

 

 

 
Please e-mail me details on the 3-prong power adapter.
 

Glen,

Thank you for bringing your concerns forward. To address them respectively, it is voltage being read from the bottom of the notebook system when certain environmental conditions exist. This issue is not just with Dell notebook systems; there have been reports from customers using other manufacturer’s notebooks as well.

The tingle doesn’t stem from the shielding, it stems from the AC adapter when certain external environmental conditions are present. And yes, the notebooks were designed to work with our non earth grounded 2-prong adapters. Dell has been very clear about this from the start. The safety issue was the very first concern that we addressed. The tingle is within industry standard guidelines. These guidelines were developed by the federal government and other 3rd party regulatory agencies, not Dell. Dell takes the initiative to add extra safety features in our adapters that help us exceed these guidelines to provide an even safer setup for our consumers.

 

I think that what I'm hearing from Dell is that as far as ungrounded power supplies are concerned, Dell's are as good as anyones. So be it.

The problem seems to be that ungrounded power supplies, when used with some Dell notebook products, may lead to higher current leakage than would be experienced if these same notebooks were used with grounded power supplies. Anecdotal evidence from customers who have used both seems to indicate that this is true.

The problem could actually be the shielding in the notebook itself. The question should be: was the notebook designed for an ungrounded power supply?

Beyond issues of the impact of current leakage on reliablity of the notebook, is this dangerous? Well, under certain circumstances, it must be dangerous to some individuals (exampe: pacemakers). If you can feel it (and Dell acknowledges that this problem is real) then current leakage exists.

 
Christof Chen

I am interested in receiving a 3-prong power adapter.

Best regards,

    Christof Chen 

 

I think it's prepostorous how Dell is addressing this issue.  Ole Jensen asked, "What is your safety team really doing to guarantee the safety of the adapters? Just looking at safety logos and nodding?"  And Jim Seippel answers by saying

  • Dell AC adapters are designed to work according to Dell specifications.
  • The design goes through rigorous testing.
  • Adapter designs are verified to comply with safety standards.
  • Dell engineers review the designs of every adapter.
  •  Each design is tested by Dell to verify compliance.
  • The evidence for all this is in the safety marks.

Not a single word about testing the actual products after the design has been put into production.  Not a single word affirming or denying that they spot check deliveries from their supplier.

People with pacemakers, indeed.  I can see the Saturday Night Live skit now: "Dude, you're getting a BZZZZZZZZZZZT!!!!!!!!!"

Dell is run now by MBAs who care only about counting beans and squeezing every last dime out of their customers.  Customer service is a necessary evil to them, and nothing more.  Everything you need to know about Dell is contained in Mr. Seippel's resonse.  The key is not what he said, it's what he didn't say.  Look at how many times he used the word "design", and the stark absence of anything even remotely related to actual testing of actual physical components.

Shorter Dell: "It's not a problem.  So you get a little shock from electricity that's leaking out from someplace we don't quite have a handle on.  The design was good.  Trust us.  Look at all the logos."

You know, I want to take part in something that will let me look back on the name "Dell" in a few years and smile.  I bet the Dell PR flacks have been working frantically for the last few weeks to come up with the exact language of the press release that announces the recall.  I bet the MBAs are frantically looking for a way to avoid a recall.  I bet safety concerns are at the bottom of the priority list with this issue.   I would bet money on it.  In fact, I will when the stock market opens on Monday.

I hope having read this blog doesn't constitute insider information, because it's almost as good as having it.

 
I want 3 prong and Dell should buy!
 

Dell will just quietly offer it as an option to those who complain since they likely wouldn't want the negative publicity backlash if every internet forum, computer website, and new site, had the headline saying: "Dell Recalling 20 Million 2-Prong Ungrounded Laptop Power Cords That Cause Your Laptop To Shock You And Offering Replacement Grounded 3-Prong Versions That Should Have Been Provided In The First Place". 

Than again, since many are complaining, the headlines may read: "Dell Refusing To Recall 20 Million 2-Prong Ungrounded Laptop Power Cords That Cause Your Laptop To Shock You And Instead Are Requiring Customers To Pay For Replacement Grounded 3-Prong Versions That Should Have Been Provided In The First Place". 

I hope Dell takes the high road and offers replacements free of charge.  Geez, when the whole exploding battery fiasco happened, the battery manufacturer, Sony, owned up to their problem and replaced millions of defective batteries for all the major computer manufacturers.  This is no different, and Dell should fix their mistake. 

 
Bryan Blake

If you are looking for IEC320 C7 (Clover Leaf) replacement cords and adapters you can find them here at MCM Electronics.

6' IEC320 C7 Power Cord 

 http://tinyurl.com/3bb4a5

IEC320 C7 to IEC320 C5 (Round) adapter
 http://tinyurl.com/3dlnsk

 

Thanks,

 Bryan
 

 

"For existing customers, we’re currently investigating creating a program to make 3-prong power adapters available for purchase at a discounted price. We need your help, and that’s why we’re asking customers who are interested in acquiring a 3-prong power adapter to provide additional feedback via this survey on Dell.com. The survey will run from now until Monday, May 7."

This is absurd. Having to purchase a component so that my laptop doesn't shock me when I use it in my lap is a joke. Whether or not there is any current coming off of the laptop is immaterial. I don't want to feel a "tingle" when I use something in my lap that is designed for use in my lap. Along the same lines I don't wife to feel a zap when she touches me or tries to kiss me while I work on my laptop. Plain and simple this is a flaw. This should have been taken care of before any of these laptops shipped.


I have purchased 4 laptops in the last 4 years from Dell and in the past I have been pretty quick to recommend Dell computers to friends and family. I've mostly had good luck with the systems I've owned and greatly appreciate the warranty protection that Dell offers (even if customer service is the worst thing that I have ever encountered and am likely to encounter during my life time). But I'm afraid that I can no longer suggest a company that has such complete disregard for it's customers that it doesn't care if they are receiving electric shocks by using the product in it's intended way. No wonder Dell is losing market share.

It looks as though the 10+ computers that were to be sold to my friends and family in the next year and half will all be going elsewhere.

I sure am glad that I get discounts to most of the major computer manufacturers through my work.

 

I notice the tingle on the d820 and not on my m1710.

I notice it more when I accidentally touch the d820 with the inside part of my forearm on the corners, I guess it is more sensitive..

 

 
[quote]For existing customers, we’re currently investigating creating a program to make 3-prong power adapters available for purchase at a discounted price. We need your help, and that’s why we’re asking customers who are interested in acquiring a 3-prong power adapter to provide additional feedback via this survey on Dell.com. The survey will run from now until Monday, May 7.[/quote]

This is absurd.  Having to purchase a component so that my laptop doesn't shock me when I use it in my lap is a joke.  Whether or not there is any current coming off of the laptop is immaterial.  I don't want to feel a "tingle" when I use something in my lap that is designed for use in my lap.  Along the same lines I don't wife to feel a zap when she touches me or tries to kiss me while I work on my laptop.  Plain and simple this is a flaw.  This should have been taken care of before any of these laptops shipped. 

I have purchased 4 laptops in the last 4 years from Dell and in the past I have been pretty quick to recommend Dell computers to friends and family.  I've mostly had good luck with the systems I've owned and greatly appreciate the warranty protection that Dell offers (even if customer service is the worst thing that I have ever encountered and am likely to encounter during my life time).  But I'm afraid that I can no longer suggest a company that has such complete disregard for it's customers that it doesn't care if they are receiving electric shocks by using the product in it's intended way.  No wonder Dell is losing market share.

It looks as though the 10+ computers that were to be sold to my friends and family in the next year and half will all be going elsewhere.

I sure am glad that I get discounts to most of the major computer manufacturers through my work.
 

 
In terms of health issues, another thought occurred to me. I certainly would not want to use one of these notebooks in the standard reclining-in-bed-while-using-laptop-on-chest position if I had a pacemaker. But then, maybe there's a lot of things I wouldn't do if I had a pacemaker installed...
 
Dell meets or surpasses all applicable standards with all of our notebook and desktop systems. The logos of the applicable regulatory and safety agencies for the Dell notebook power adapters can be found on the AC adapter power brick and include the FCC, UL, CCC S&E, CSA, CE, IDA, IRAM, GS, NOM and a few others.

Come on, let's be honest. Dell likely buys off-the-shell power adapters from OEMs in bulk (Dell branded or generic). Likely, Dell doesn't engineer them, but just provides a specification, and then goes for the lowest bidder. Power adapters are commodity mass products, "no one" builds their own any more these days . Likely, dell does not itself check compliance to the alphabet soup of safety logos. Dell probably checks from time to time the paperwork provided by the supplier. Or maybe Dell doesn't bother and just trusts the supplier.

It is not unheard of that security logos on devices are blatant fakes, that certificates have been faked, or that the product is no longer build the way it was tested and certified. Not talking about manufacturers producing cheap unsafe counterfeit copies of original safe equipment.

So, just claiming a product is save because it is full of safety logos and safety agency names is utter nonsense. What is your safety team really doing to guarantee the safety of the adapters? Just looking at safety logos and nodding? Believing the certificates provided by the supplier? When was the last time that some independent test lab (independent from Dell and the manufacturer) has gotten a random sample of the currently shipped adapters and checked and measured if they are what they are supposed to be?

 

Ole Jensen: Thanks for your comment. I have firsthand experience of the kind of testing Dell does to ensure product safety, and wanted to respond.

AC adapters used on Dell products are designed to work only with Dell products. Dell has internal specifications for AC adapters that exceed industry requirements. Dell also uses internal product safety specifications to ensure that AC adapters surpass safety standards. They are not purchased “off the shelf.”

Before an AC adapter design is approved for use with a Dell product, it must go through rigorous Dell testing and also pass testing by third parties. All AC adapter designs are verified to comply with world-wide safety and EMC standards and are certified by multiple independent certification agencies. This is evidenced by the regulatory and safety marks that can be found on the AC adapted label. These marks include FCC, UL, CCC S&E, CSA, CE, IDA, IRAM, GS, and NOM.

Dell has a staff of regulatory engineers that are qualified by safety agencies for their knowledge and experience. Dell regulatory engineers review every AC adapter design for compliance with world-wide requirements and also for compliance with Dell’s internal product safety and technical requirements. This review ensures that nothing was missed by outside regulatory agencies. Each AC adapter design is then subjected to internal Dell testing to verify compliance. In addition Dell requires that an independent third party lab verifies compliance to Dell specifications. Each adapter design must pass Dell’s rigorous requirements before they can be used on Dell products.

The net result is that Dell AC adapters exceed industry requirements and are safe for their intended use and foreseeable misuse. Dell takes the safety of all Dell products seriously.

 
Sven Sweden

It would be nice if you could offer a three prong adapter as an option.

 

If it’s not a manufacturing problem then I would guess that every 9400 /1705 is affected!?

Some people state that they don’t have this problem. Is that just by coincidence?

 

All electrical devices, including notebooks, printers, PDAs, etc., powered by AC Adapters with a two-pronged power cord (without a ground wire) may exhibit an electrical potential (voltage) between the exposed metal parts of the device and earth ground.”

 

They may but I have only found one that do.

 

 

I stumbled on this stray voltage issue while I was trying to find out why my Inspiron 9400 had suffered 2 hard drive failures in 9 months. I had also had video card problems.

I measured 45 volts AC at 250 to 300 milliamps from the case screws of my 9400 when it was plugged in, but not turned on.

I noticed that I would often get static shocks when I touched the case of my 9400 while wearing rubber soled shoes in a warm, moist coastal climate. I wondered why I often got static shocks while plugging in USB devices (in fact, I killed a new USB thumb drive this way).

I theorized, that without a good ground path, these static discharges could seek a path through internal electronic components rather than directly to ground. The ungrounded power supply seemed to offer one possible explanation for these component failures.

Despite the comments of Dell experts, I wonder whether the ungrounded power supplies have had some negative impact on Inspiron reliability. I note also that Dell seems to be in the process of raising their 2nd and 3rd year extended warranty rates, as I found out today when I purchased an extension for my 9400.

Having said all that, I feel I should point out that "laptops" are so named because people often use them, well, in their laps. People don't hold hair dryers or electric clocks or desktop computers in their laps for hours when they are using them. This is an important distinction.

Tingle = stray voltage passing through your body. I have left any concerns about my fertility in my past. But maybe young gamers should consider a lead blanket if they are going to play for a few hours with an ungrounded 120v machine on their knees?

 
I have a problem when I use my laptop in my car. On battery power, i can patch my laptop audio thru to my cars Aux input on the stereo with no problems. works great. However, if I do that when I have the laptop pluged into my power inverter, I get a loud buzzing coming thru the speakers. I'm puzzled by it, and the buzzing sounds like a ground problem to me. Considering the laptop is NOT grounded with it being only 2 prong (the invertor is 3 prong), this seems to be my issue. I'm going to run some more tests to verify that it is a laptop issue and not an amp issue, but this seems like a good lead. I would be very interested in getting a 3 prong if this is in fact my problem.
 
Kelleigh - New Zealand
maybe you can sell the 2 prong... stock standard.. and have the 3 prong as a feature upgrade, just like you do the 512mb ram upgraded to 1g ram...so you pay just a little more for this.. perhaps when you sell it you ask if the user will be using a printer then the 2 prong can be pushed to buy when they say they wont be pluged into a printer for majority.. i think only laptop users feel this tingle sensation. We cant control the weather.. and we all have unique skin types, and laptops are purchased for the portable factor... with this in mind weather could change no matter where we take it.  Thats just some ideas on the matter.
 
I wonder why, when I emailed Dell Australia telling them I had found this "stray voltage", they sent out a new adapter without me even asking for one, free of charge I might add. I received it 2 days later...obviously they felt I needed one...
 
Teddi Dunson
I believe you will find that this affects people with a higher level of  static electricity in thier body. The higher their level the more tingle. It affects other things besides the laptops and two prong plugs.
 

Adam: thanks for your comment.

The plain truth is that it's not a manufacturing defect. It is not specific to Dell and it's not even specfic to notebooks themselves. Like I mentioned in the post, a tingle sensation may be felt on many electronic devices that use a 2-prong AC power source under specific environmental conditions. 

2-prong AC plugs are a standard offering used across the power industry worldwide. Your situation may differ, but most folks have seen or operate with 2-prong adapters and have no issues.

In some regions they are even required (such as Japan). The ability to form tingle is just part of this class of adapter.

 
Chris Lilley

Just as a data point re non-standard cables, the 3-prong adapter on my Dell Precision M90 uses a standard IEC C5 'cloverleaf' power cord.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_connector 

 
Jean-Louis Dupond
My screen started to give weird errors, and going black & back like 10times in 5seconds... I almost never had this problem when i connected my printer to my laptop (wich is grounded). But if I uses my laptop without ground, i got the screen problem almost always ... I think thats weird ...
 
Jay Schlackman
I was happy to see the introduction of the 2-prong power supplies after endless headaches trying to replace user-damaged proprietary
Dell 3-prong power cords. If 3-prong power supplies are once again offered, does this mean this problem will also return, or are steps being taken to use the widely-used 'cloverleaf' power cords in future?
 
This should be seen as a manufacturing defect, and 3-prong replacements should be available for FREE to any customer who calls in to complain.

The excuse about two-prong plugs taking up less space doesn't fly; the extra space required by a three-prong plug is so small that it's probably best measured in cubic millimetres! This sounds more like a cost-saving method that is now backfiring.
 
I'm not sure I understand this "tingle" word as a non-native english speaker. However, I've had problems with my Dell Latitude D505 laptop with power and the laptop stopping brutaly when I touched metalic parts... that I think may be related to that. You may find more details at : http://www-public.int-evry.fr/~berger_o/weblog/2005/08/23/about-my-dell-latitude-d505-poweroff-problem/ My conclusion was that one of the anti-theft attachment holes for kensigton-like cables was to be avoided (the left-side front one), and the right-hand side one was the right one to use. Hope this helps.